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# 241
02-11-2013, 10:01 AM
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In other words how would you feel if you worked your butt off for a year to get your favorite car, then finally bought it, and a month after getting to play with it the dealership took it back and "nerfed it" its now no longer the car that you worked so hard to get its something less.

Im just saying that is a lousy practice is all.
and all car companys do this.

its called "new model year".
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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# 242
02-11-2013, 10:26 AM
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The only nerf I've seen people seriously suggest for the bug is to reduce it's turn rate to a point where it is still the best of any escort.

Right now the bug is equal or better than every escort in every respect except for the number of science consoles. No one has suggested changing that, just reducing it's turn rate to 17 or 18.

Except for the JHAS and the Wells, ships of a certain class have turn rates withing a certain range. Cruisers range from 6-8, Science Vessels 11-13, and Escorts are 16-17. As long as ships fall into those narrow ranges, their turn rate isn't compensated by a significant difference in other areas. The Assault Cruiser and Star Cruiser for example are nearly carbon-copies of one another in most ways despite the Assault cruiser being more maneuverable.

The Bug is broken because it is a best-in-class escort in every other way, but with far better turning than any other escort. "Nerfing" it's turn down to 17 would still leave the bug equal to or better than every other escort. Similarly,the Wells should probably have it's turn rate brought in line with science ships at around 13.

Alternatively, if other escorts were buffed into the the JHAS's class that might help, but it the turn rates for escorts were buffed up to 19-20 instead of 15-16, and science ships up to 13-15 instead of 11-13, then every other ship in the game would need turn rates increased too. It seems more sane to just make the JHAS turn like an escort, and the Wells turn like a science ship.


only the turn rate you have seen suggested?

I have seen some who say nerf the turn rate,,,the shield mod,,,the impulse mod, the Boff layout ect ect....they want everything on this ship nerfed. If they dont want to buff the other escorts than no i wouldnt throw a fit if they just bumped the jem bug down 2 points in turn rate.
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# 243
02-11-2013, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by maicake716 View Post
and all car companys do this.

its called "new model year".


Car companies do not come and take your car then downgrade it and give it back,,they simply keep making better models but they dont "nerf" the one you invested in after you bought it.
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# 244
02-11-2013, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by maximus614 View Post
only the turn rate you have seen suggested?

I have seen some who say nerf the turn rate,,,the shield mod,,,the impulse mod, the Boff layout ect ect....they want everything on this ship nerfed. If they dont want to buff the other escorts than no i wouldnt throw a fit if they just bumped the jem bug down 2 points in turn rate.
The turn rate has been the one that has been suggested over and over. Everything else about the JHAS is "better" but not so much so that it renders everything else obsolete. Take away the difference in turning and then the comparison is a lot more like when you compare one escort against another. Yeah, maybe the Patrol Escort is better than the Tactical Refit (or visa versa), but they are in the same league.
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# 245
02-11-2013, 01:41 PM
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Car companies do not come and take your car then downgrade it and give it back,,they simply keep making better models but they dont "nerf" the one you invested in after you bought it.

No, but if your car goes 300 MPH and you insist on driving it at that speed despite the 100 MPH speed limit, the police will come to your house and take your car (and license) away.
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# 246
02-11-2013, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by illcadia View Post
No, but if your car goes 300 MPH and you insist on driving it at that speed despite the 100 MPH speed limit, the police will come to your house and take your car (and license) away.

WTF does that have to do with anything i just said?

This isnt just for jem bug,,im against them doing that with any ship,,,how would all the "vesta peeps" feel after spending money to get vestas if STO turned around next week and nerfed all of them?
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# 247
02-11-2013, 07:00 PM
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WTF does that have to do with anything i just said?

This isnt just for jem bug,,im against them doing that with any ship,,,how would all the "vesta peeps" feel after spending money to get vestas if STO turned around next week and nerfed all of them?
As a Vesta owner, I wouldn't mind it too much, TBH. The amount of CC the ship can field through pets lets it vastly exceed the capabilities of other Sci ships. The day they improve or strengthen Science powers, they'll start to more fully eclipse other Sci ships in their primary role than they already do.
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# 248
02-11-2013, 07:05 PM
imo, the impulse modifier and turnrate aren't the problem. Cryptic failing to consider the implications of giving it Cruiser stats on top of it's superior Escort stats is.
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# 249
02-11-2013, 10:55 PM
Personally, i like the mirror patrol consoles better... that's just me. And on a side note any good Jem'Hadar Attack Ship pilot can hop in any old escort and beat the qq'rs to begin with. For instance i took my mirror patrol in a couple games several days ago...i got nearly the most damage and the most healing out of 5-6 escorts in the game from both teams. You dont need a jemmy to do damage..all you need is a escort, point it and shoot.
Nevertheless with the amount of time some people spend playing you can easily buy the ship for yourself...or better yet pick up the mirror patrol it uses the same boff layout as 90 percent of the Jem pilots do.

Last edited by s7ike; 02-11-2013 at 10:57 PM.
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# 250
02-11-2013, 10:59 PM
Ps. Any Ship Is Op If You Know How To Fly It.
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