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# 61
02-13-2013, 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
Your not an actual Star Trek fan, are you?

I can only think you are not if thats the basis of your arguement on why the feds deserve cloaking.
The KDF playerbase is "depriving" the fed playerbase!!!!!!! LMAO. Thats rich.
I am not sure if this was addressed to me or not. I already stated in an earlier post that I believe only the Defiant and Galaxy X classes should have cloak but that it should be integral to the ship not a console.

I am a Star Trek fan in most ways. There are many things I did not like about it, including the way the main antagonist, the Klingon Empire was so poorly developed in TOS.

My post you seem to be questioning is more a challenge to a poor argument. I prefer some RL logic to be incorporated into story lines to give things a sense of realism and continuity. I also want to see this game fun for ALL players, and nerf raging and changing every time a minority whines and cries OP at the expense of others is something I really do not like.
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# 62
02-13-2013, 03:04 PM
So yeah, I did a little reading and the explanation of the federation cloak is on the device itself. Who'd have thunk it. Turns out the Feds agreed to abide the old treaty in spite of the dissolution of the Romulan Empire, but in 2409 they went back on their word and began developing cloaked ships.

So the small number of cloaked ships can be attributed to the treaty, which perservered past Romulus blowing up, and the cloaked ships that do exist can be attributed to the treaty's very recent violation.

As for the console issue, since the console can only be used on pre-determined cloak ships I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude the 'console' itself exists only as an interface with a larger device built into the ship itself.
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# 63
02-13-2013, 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by bubblygumsworth View Post
If you want a Fleet defiant with battle cloak then you're going to have to sacrifice some hull and a bridge officer station to bring it closer to BoP standard. Eg. Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit has 5 BOFF stations, one more than a Fleet Hoh'Sus. It also has 8250 more hull compared to the Hoh'Sus.

[COLOR= "green"] no one said anything about giving the Feds battle cloak. As I posted before, only the Defiant and Galaxy X should have cloak, but I would support them as integral to the ship and NOT a console. My reason is the idea of plug and play for something like a cloaking device is ridiculous from an engeering view point. "Balance" or giving something up to get something as you put it are just odd arguments. No one HAS to give up something. This is a game. If the Devs want to give something it's up to them. Only in PvP does balance really matter.[/color]

"Depriving one side for the sake of another is never welcome." Is KDF content on par with Federation content? KDF is deprived of content, that is why we get the cooler toys. I have spent money on my KDF characters, I paid good money for unlocks and consoles. The GIVE FEDS CLOAK WAAA WAAA WAAA threads are worse than nerf escort/buff cruiser threads... the cloak topic is a plague in these forums.

i said nothing about depriving the KDF of anything. I play KDF far more than Fed and I think KDF development should be at the top of the dev priorities for at least the next 2 seasons. If you were less hung up or defensive you would understand what I am saying much more clearly. This is a game. Each of us is a customer expecting an excellent play experience. It really isn't about one faction or the other. It is never right to change the game in a way that unfairly devalues the investment of anyone else.

Some of us are fans of the series and would like to see a Star Trek game where the IP has not been taken to a viking **** party. Canon is good. Feds dont fight, they have little tea parties and hug, even in a time of war...

Here are some federation options for cloaking. Although these might not be as good a battle cloak they are still sufficient cloaking abilities
- Cloaking Device (Gal-X, Defiant-R).
- Mask Energy Signature.
- Adapted MACO 3 part ability.
- Romulan T5 Ability.

If you're still not happy with those options, play as a KDF toon or GTFO.
STO will never be canon. It never has been, never will be nor can it be.

As for your GTFO? Pffft. Whatever! I have just as much right here as you and am a paying customer. I have a valid opinion. If you don't like it I don't care. If you can't be more respectful why don't you GTFO? There's the door.
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# 64
02-13-2013, 03:22 PM
I really don't get the fascination with cloaking technology, honestly. I personally wouldn't have anything against that Defiant and Gal-X get an integrated cloaking device - or perhaps that all the ships capable of cloaking get an device slot and that Cryptic incorporates different kinds of cloaking devices. I know the idea is farfetched, but there could be lots of improvement over it anyway.

This is all just putting into the idea of the game. As a Star Trek fan, I wouldn't give cloaking technology to any of the Federation ships because I believe Federation ships do not need it (despite the fact two ships already have it in game blue-side). Cloaking technology was primarily used in Star Trek as an tactical advantage while attacking an enemy ship (or trying to delay/escape the encounter or force the encounter under one's terms). Federation, IMHO at least, has always been about only fighting as a last resort and when driven to the defense by other factions (or defending those in need). Federation never needed to hide their ships, and do something behind the curtains - Federation was always about being noble, open, friendly, finding a solution that fits everyone. Even in a deep state of war with the Klingons, Federation would stay true to their beliefs, their military ways. I just don't see Fed getting so desperate that they'd forget what it is to be a Federation and Human in the first place. Besides, I never had a feeling Federation is loosing the war with the Klingons anyway.

I Personally play both factions, I never had a feeling either of the factions have an huge advantage over the other ship-wise. Battlecruisers are a different breed of ships compared to Federation cruisers and I find them much more enjoyable, however I find Federation escorts superior to the KDF, as well as science ships, which I honestly think there's not enough on the Klingon side.

Moreover, I do not think it's a good thing to borrow as many elements of the Klingon gameplay to the Federation as a content (even if we're talking something else and not cloaking devices), I believe this is not going to help with the number disparity (and thus content disparity) over the factions at all, more then likely just worsening the situation.

My humble 2 cents, anyway.
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# 65
02-13-2013, 04:12 PM
Feds don't need cloaking devices.
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# 66
02-13-2013, 04:21 PM
the one cloak, which wasnt specified where it went, the feds DID have was the phasing cloak...all we know is it was confiscated but it was never revealed that it had been disassembled or destroyed...therefore, if any cloak was given, would be that one
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# 67
02-13-2013, 04:41 PM
I am a Fed only player... I don't think we need any additional cloaking ability...
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# 68
02-13-2013, 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by johnny111971 View Post
I am a Fed only player... I don't think we need any additional cloaking ability...
I play mostly KDF but in all honesty the only ship I would like to see have a battle cloak on fed side is the defiant. I was completely against it for a few years but I had noticed that was the reason I started KDF besides loving the lore from the series of the Klingon Empire. I just think if it was to get one it would only be for the defiant and that it would have to be a 2 console piece set since a console is already for the regular cloak. On the same token though I do think the raptors should have a battle cloak as well.

In the long run though since this game is DS9 heavy since theres no delta quadrant and all the enemies except the borg are either allies of the federation or live off of support it. It will one day with the constant cut and paste content that the game will eventually return both factions to allies as it once was during the dominion war and most of TNG because its the only way it will ever fit together. In the history of wars when both sides just are going all out against each other I've never heard of 2 warring factions saying uhhh guys we are dieing can you both have a cease fire and pick up rocks for us?

I cannot forget the most 2 epic abilities in each factions history the b'rel enhanced battle cloak and the ablative armor of voyager being such crap in this game. So I get this right ablative armor lasts 10 seconds and the b'rel just can't kill anything unless it has 10x the duration chang had to severly damage the enterprise. They probally have solutions for these they just want to wait till they are dead broke and sell them off in a lockbox.
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# 69
02-13-2013, 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by tancrediiv View Post
STO will never be canon. It never has been, never will be nor can it be.

As for your GTFO? Pffft. Whatever! I have just as much right here as you and am a paying customer. I have a valid opinion. If you don't like it I don't care. If you can't be more respectful why don't you GTFO? There's the door.
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# 70
02-13-2013, 07:18 PM
Originally Posted by bubblygumsworth View Post
The internet has doors? GTFO
Portal. Gateway. Access. Yep. Those will work. Have a nice trip.
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