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# 71
02-13-2013, 07:59 PM
The Federation still honors the Treaty of Algeron (Expressly forbids the development of Cloaking technology by the Federation).


Cloaking Technology is researched (in order to find counters) but no technology is built.
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# 72
02-13-2013, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tancrediiv View Post
I am not sure if this was addressed to me or not. I already stated in an earlier post that I believe only the Defiant and Galaxy X classes should have cloak but that it should be integral to the ship not a console.

I am a Star Trek fan in most ways. There are many things I did not like about it, including the way the main antagonist, the Klingon Empire was so poorly developed in TOS.

My post you seem to be questioning is more a challenge to a poor argument. I prefer some RL logic to be incorporated into story lines to give things a sense of realism and continuity. I also want to see this game fun for ALL players, and nerf raging and changing every time a minority whines and cries OP at the expense of others is something I really do not like.
Yes it was addressed to you.
Your real life rationalization has no bearing in how the federation acts as the Hero in Star Trek. Even the creator of the IP was against the idea of the feds cloaking. His idea of humanity, even in conflict, that thry would not use such technologies.
The excerpt of ingame history from Path of 2409 honors that ideology.
Your PoV does not.

As to the "deprived" statement. The feds have not been deprived. They have 2 cloaking ships. They are as free to play the KDF as anyone else if they dislike the 2 choices they have as the hero federation

The "between the lines" dislike you seem to have for PvP and your perception how it has ruined the game in your opinion is definately out of place.
Us KDF fans who argue against the feds getting widespread dont do so because of any advantage it may give ( which is not much really) but because its something the hero feds dont use ( to the point of having many reasons as to why) and finally because it, would be just another thing taken from the KDF faction purely on fed asking for it.
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# 73
02-13-2013, 08:28 PM
I love you roach
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# 74
02-13-2013, 09:17 PM
*incoming subspace transmission*

Klingons are Spiritual Warriors who fight for and with Honor, they don't exist in this game.

That cloaked Defiant-R using only 8 consoles still makes them shake. All that is seen in the galaxy is the warp signatures of fleeing Klingon ships. Seems like for them, today IS a good day to die !


*end transmission*
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# 75
02-13-2013, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by foundrelic View Post
The Federation still honors the Treaty of Algeron (Expressly forbids the development of Cloaking technology by the Federation).


Cloaking Technology is researched (in order to find counters) but no technology is built.
The console disagrees with you. According to http://www.stowiki.org/Universal_Consoles

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Game Description The Treaty of Algeron, signed in 2311 by the Romulan Star Empire and the United Federation of Planets, prohibited Federation cloaking devices. This agreement has been a source of controversy in Starfleet, where some officers believed it severely limited tactical options and put the Federation at a disadvantage.

Although the Federation initially agreed to follow the treaty after the destruction of the Romulan homeworld, in early 2409 Starfleet was authorized to develop and implement cloaking technology on selected ships.

This console allows you to cloak your ship. The cloak cannot be activated while in combat. It may be equipped on any console slot of a Dreadnought Cruiser or Tactical Escort Retrofit.
I do not own the console but this is supposedly the text that accompanies it. It states pretty clearly that the Federation has just begun to start breaking the treaty.

'Selected ships' gives them enough wiggle room to justify a hobbled cloak ability for the Federation though. This is not something that everybody is wholeheartedly behind, so it's moving slowly. That can be the reason in the fiction, anyway.

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# 76
02-14-2013, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by pompouluss View Post
The console disagrees with you. According to http://www.stowiki.org/Universal_Consoles

I do not own the console but this is supposedly the text that accompanies it. It states pretty clearly that the Federation has just begun to start breaking the treaty.

'Selected ships' gives them enough wiggle room to justify a hobbled cloak ability for the Federation though. This is not something that everybody is wholeheartedly behind, so it's moving slowly. That can be the reason in the fiction, anyway.
lol Good luck trying to find any logic in Cryptic's way of dealing with things.

They will write one thing in their own lore and then completely disregard it and counter it with another when it fits them.
How about declaring 'the Doctor' as a sentient being with his own rights as any living being in the lore and now using sentient A.I. that kills itself to counter it's enemies? Not quite the behavior of the Federation, the pillar of moral and ethic in the galaxy. I've noticed that cryptic will do whatever they see fit for the time being even if it means contradicting their own previous views.

However the point of the discussion was wheather the Fed. should be getting a cloak. I have a few points of why I believe they shouldn't:

-It's against canon (although I agree with the players that say the canon has gone down the drain in STO), I never use cloak on my Feds. because I'm a big ST fan and it doesn't seem right to me.
-It's against Federation principles to break treaties and their given word and I would hate it if the Federation in STO turns into an Earth-like conquering empire with disregard of everything else but their narrow minded current needs (which is unfortunately slowly happening). I understand that STO is an MMO and other rules apply, but honestly I believe that we can have the moral 'hero' faction even in an MMO without stepping on their principles and the point of their existence.
-It's game breaking - I am a firm believer that different factions/cultures should have a different view on their warfare and different branches of technology. For me the interesting part is this diversity. To each their own. Then when I go to PvP I have to use my tech. advantages to counter my opponent from the other faction. If we have the exact same it gets kinda' pointless and boring, at least for me.
-It's destroying the KDF - Feds. get KDF consoles through lockboxes. Feds get the Honor Guard through the rep. system (KDF does MACO as well). Feds have cloak on 2 starships. The Vesta, a sci-vessel can mount DHC. What we'll probably see next is Flight-deck cruisers for the Federation. I wonder what will be anyone's incentive to play the KDF, when you'll have all the KDF tech on the Fed. side and yet if you want to go KDF, you have to level up a Fed. to 25?
-Federation starships have other advantages - increased hull, better shield modifiers, better escort turn rates...what would be nice if the cloak is such a problematic issue for Fed. players is to be given tech that can improve their ways of countering/discovering it. But please, for Star Trek sake, let us not have everything the same on every faction.
What would be the point of a Romulan faction that I see many players are eagerly expecting if they get Fed. content, start at level 25 and the Feds. can get and fly all their ships and use all their tech? IMHO, we need to have more diversity, not less.

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# 77
02-14-2013, 02:00 AM
Anyone who knows canon star trek history knows the federation would never use cloaks unless its survival was threatened

All that aside why do many feds want cloaks and why do most klingons NOT want feds to have cloaks

Simple

Cloaked player engages enemy player sees weapon types ect......Evads and Cloaks changes consoles /weapons/shields to counter enemy player then boasts about how great a pvper he is

This is what is all about
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# 78
02-14-2013, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jellico1 View Post

All that aside why do many feds want cloaks and why do most klingons NOT want feds to have cloaks

Simple

Cloaked player engages enemy player sees weapon types ect......Evads and Cloaks changes consoles /weapons/shields to counter enemy player then boasts about how great a pvper he is

This is what is all about
LOL Never thought of this that way I must admit. I don't want cloak for Feds. due to lore and ST feel mostly, I have no problem with Romulan players using cloak if their faction ever comes along STO.

I play usually KDF, so what you said is kinda' new for me as I don't encounter many cloaked ships from my side. I guess that would only work on the BoP & the battlecloak since you can't engage the regular one once in combat, but LOL Changing setup during every single battle? Wow, then I guess some people really need to take a game less seriosely.
I would never imagine myself doing that.

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# 79
02-14-2013, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pompouluss View Post
The console disagrees with you. According to http://www.stowiki.org/Universal_Consoles



I do not own the console but this is supposedly the text that accompanies it. It states pretty clearly that the Federation has just begun to start breaking the treaty.

'Selected ships' gives them enough wiggle room to justify a hobbled cloak ability for the Federation though. This is not something that everybody is wholeheartedly behind, so it's moving slowly. That can be the reason in the fiction, anyway.
That would be the Grandfathered clause I mentioned. The select ships are the AGT galaxy and Defiant.
This is the original rext that appeared when the AGT and Defiant first appeared.
Its not new but many years old now.
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# 80
02-14-2013, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jellico1 View Post
Anyone who knows canon star trek history knows the federation would never use cloaks unless its survival was threatened

All that aside why do many feds want cloaks and why do most klingons NOT want feds to have cloaks

Simple

Cloaked player engages enemy player sees weapon types ect......Evads and Cloaks changes consoles /weapons/shields to counter enemy player then boasts about how great a pvper he is

This is what is all about
Maybe thats whats irs about for those few feds playing thier KDD alts.... The majority of us KDF fans just do not wish to see another KDF faction ability given to the feds just because they want it.
The feds have thier select cloaking vessels. Thats all they need and it adheres to thier image as the cultured and paladinesque hero in the IP.

Cloaking has been a Klingon technology for a long time and it suits both our definition of honor and our actions as a conquest expanding predator mindset race and culture.
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