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Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 11
02-13-2013, 04:34 PM
I think the comment about the Orion women given as gifts was more about how in Orion culture the women are the ones in charge and use men as decoy leaders for their operations. Considering their past it only makes sense that these "gifts" are spying and manipulating each of the Great Houses.

Thankfully thanks to the Path to 2409 we know quite a bit of what has led the Orions to this point. With Starfleet cracking down on their activities they threw in with the Klingons to keep from getting shut down. They provide intel to the Klingons and don't raid their ships, and in exchange they were granted some territory within the empire to call home.

I've seen a few bits of information scattered in episodes and lore datachips that indicate the Orions are still scheming around looking to improve on their current deal. A Tal'Shiar outpost indicated that their leader was secretly meeting with Drex (Martok's son) for instance. However since Drex dies in the first KDF episode they will probably have to find somebody else to suck up to (I won't be suprised if it winds up being the Duras family)

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Then there is the subjugated Gorn... Defeated and absorbed into the KDF. Since then not many details have expanded on their current situation. I saw a couple episodes in the Reman arc that indicated that the Gorn aren't happy with the current status quo. They are trying to get a voting member on the High Council and when push comes to shove most of them will let their Klingon "allies" die when in a tough battle.

Their siituation is ripe for a rebel faction story arc.

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The Nausicans and Letheans have been treated as nothing more than hired mercenaries as far as I know. I recall the Nausicans have a non-aggression pact with the Empire, turning them into privateers against the Federation. The Letheans haven't even been able to get that level of respect from the Klingons.

These two factions desperatly need something to convey their motives.

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The Joined Trill are something of an oddity to me, as their main race is part of the Federation (I believe). However since Dax was such a blatant Klingon-phile the devs probably felt they could get away with having them play both sides with the Federation and Klingons.

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Finally there are the Ferasans, whose motives totally escape me. As far as I know they are an original creation for this game, as a counterpart to the Caitians from the Animated Series and one of the TMP-era movies.

As far as I've been able to piece together their homeworld is called Ferasa. They were originally one race with the Caitians, but after their own version of an eugenics war, the genetically engineered super-cats won and the normal low bred ones were forced into exile.

However all of that is ancient history and there is no indication what their role in the Klingon Empire currently is. Are they mercenaries, subjugated conscripts, or actual prized allies? You would think that an original creation would get a lot more love from the devs that introduced them.
Captain
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# 12
02-13-2013, 04:35 PM
I would like to see missions/stories that goes with the other races. If you look at the area below the home space sector. There is plenty of space for added sectors for additional story arcs. How about a enemy just for the Klingons to deal with that came from that section of space.
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# 13
02-13-2013, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lordrezeon View Post
Then there is the subjugated Gorn... Defeated and absorbed into the KDF. Since then not many details have expanded on their current situation. I saw a couple episodes in the Reman arc that indicated that the Gorn aren't happy with the current status quo. They are trying to get a voting member on the High Council and when push comes to shove most of them will let their Klingon "allies" die when in a tough battle.

Their siituation is ripe for a rebel faction story arc.
If and only if we get to choose which side to take.
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# 14
02-13-2013, 11:00 PM
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Yes, but at the same time if that Klingon's gene pool has not been mixed with Vulcans in his family's previous lineage, the Orion pheromones would probably have him thinking he's a Targ.

Memory Alpha
says:

"They're like animals: vicious, seductive. They say no Human male can resist them."

But then Memory Beta brings up the Lodubyaln.

STO has really ****ty lore and why? Such a well defined IP with decades of development...
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"

- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.
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Captain
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# 15
02-14-2013, 12:59 AM
The main problem with Star Trek is that aliens suffer from Planet of the Hats Syndrome.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetOfHats

This runs into the desire to have a wide variety of species in both factions because the Klingons themselves are a hat. None of the other species exist as a Klingon morality play so Cryptic was stuck throwing in a bunch of "villians" together in order to have that.

What it means is that all stories about KDF species have no head to put their hat on. I suppose you can try to put a hat on another hat, but that gets silly.

I'd like to see more of what they started to do in DS9 and a couple of times in the other shows: Klingons of differering opinions, goals, values from the warrior castes. K'Valk had a bit of that (I always viewed him as a man if science for some reason) but I think the faction would be stronger with its own fist fighting version of IDIC.
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# 16
02-14-2013, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by user839020189287 View Post

Memory Alpha
says:

"They're like animals: vicious, seductive. They say no Human male can resist them."

But then Memory Beta brings up the Lodubyaln.

STO has really ****ty lore and why? Such a well defined IP with decades of development...
Problem in this case is Mem Beta.
It's a compilation of everything that was ever stated about anything.
In this case, take a look at the article from Mem Beta you've linked to and see how many sources point to the FASA RPG.
That FASA RPG is not even considered soft-canon nowadays and there's a ton of stuff in it that was contradicted by later canon material.
Hence the entire Mem Beta Article is so totally weird to read.

Same is true for other species.
According to the old Star Fleet Battles tabletop, the Gorn origninate from three different planets but are genetically identical.
They're natural enemies of the Romulans and have fought half a dozen wars against them and sided with the Federation in the "General War" which lasts from Y171 (2278) to Y188 (2295)

In FASA's material, the Gorn are from one planet and have only heard about the Romulans from the Federation.
There was of course no "General War" like in SFB.

In canon Trek we don't know when the Gorn met the Romulans.

It's this contradictory which is why you should be very careful when you read stuff on Mem Beta because it gets confusing really fast.
Captain
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# 17
02-14-2013, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by lordrezeon View Post
You would think that an original creation would get a lot more love from the devs that introduced them.
At first I wanted to hop in and say "Well the Crimto and the Vito'D get no love either."

But then I realized that this all gets back to what I said earlier. This development team has spent three years making excuses and avoiding having to do any sort of development like the kind being asked for here. That includes not just Klingons, but also Catians and Feresans, and anything else.

Heck, they practically gave up on the Undine. And haven't done much at all with the Iconians and Romulans in ages. Though Season 8 may change that, at least.

Instead of story tellers and content creators pushing this game forward, it's mostly been the kind of mini-game, grind creators that would be better suited working at a company like Zynga. (Oh yeah, I went there).
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# 18
02-14-2013, 09:46 AM
HA! The day my scantily clad Orion bunns end up in grethor is the day Hot tubs, spa's and some other oh so decadent trapping get added to the after life. And Klingon warriors will LIKE them.

Seriously though, I would like to see a bit more attention paid to the other races of the KDF. I honestly think they should each have a different beginning to the level 1 tutorial. Unlike the Federation, the Klingon Defence forces are more of an amalgum. Due to perticularities of the KDF the empire chose to bring in the fleets of the allied powers (and have no doubts, they are allied at this point. The Gorn are under a Klingon Governor while they put thier own house back in order. The Orion cartels came over all together (there were Orions existant in the Empire that were allready citizens of the empire). There is an Orion home world, but its a played out rock with little to offer other then historic vistas, numerous archeological digs, and not much of anything left in the way of mineral wealth left to be extracted. They are one of the oldest of the starfaring races in the alpha quadrant. An ancient culture that is spoiled, and boored..and looking for some excitment. Thats the Orions.

The other races in the empire need to have a bit more of thier story told. The difference between the empire and the federation is the cracks in the empires unity are there for all to see. Its not perfect. And its never likely to be. But whoh betide any who attempt harm to that unity. As long as the empire is at risk, the races of the empire will stand together (they all have reason to NOT be part of the UFP) ..((and yes, peace with the federation might be one of the worst things that could happen!.. with out a clear and present external threat....)).

I would love to see an intro to the tutorial thats different depending apon the race of the player. It would idealy give some backround into why the players race serves with the KDF. The Federation is more hemogenus at the level of Star Fleet. The KDF though never has been. There are ships of the of the great houses, independents (read mercenaries.. Klingon "security" firms, and then of course the "Klingon Fleet" that takes its orders from the high council and navy command ((this includes detachments from the Orion, Gorn, Nausican fleets))

sounds more like what we would get right now if the EU decided to amalgamate the different national navies into an EU navy. ((shiver... talk about a logistics nightmare!!!))

No idea what the dev team is going to throw at us in May, but sad to say I don't think were going to get this sort of detail, much as I would like to see it.

I'm pretty sure at this point that the KDF is only going to get the bare minimum its been asking for for the last 3 years. Some more ship skins, maybe some more cloathing options. Anywhere from 20 to 40 missions, some in on going arcs, and a level one tutorial and introduction. There are going to be some additionas which are not faction specific of course, along with a new FE/story arc ((Under the Raptors wings))

Beyond that I'm not willing to speculate.

.................... for the record I'd like to make it clear I would truely love to be shocked, surprised, and overwhelmed with an a Beyond that we might get the beginnings of a persistant territorial PvP system, along with a couple more Rep systems. and a cap raise on Dilithium refining, along with an additional way to collect/aquire LOBI besides lock boxes. ((Spending anywhere from $150-$180 on master keys to get lobi crystals to buy a ship in the LOBI store seems more then beyond stupidly excessive))


Not sure what else I can add here at this point sooo...

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Let the happy old bug stomping commence, along with refinement toward enhancing each factions play experience!
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# 19
02-14-2013, 03:28 PM
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No idea what the dev team is going to throw at us in May
I hope it's not a wrench!
Had to say it, sorry.
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# 20
02-14-2013, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by oldkhemaraa View Post

Seriously though, I would like to see a bit more attention paid to the other races of the KDF. I honestly think they should each have a different beginning to the level 1 tutorial...

I would love to see an intro to the tutorial thats different depending apon the race of the player. It would idealy give some backround into why the players race serves with the KDF...

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This.

I might reboot General Ssharki if KDF ever gets to start at level 1 and they implement race-specific tutorial / career missions.
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