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# 11
02-15-2013, 02:07 AM
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My problem is how divorced from the reality of the situation is. They're not being forced to do anything.

But you will always have someone who hates everything you do. It's one of those things you need to accept when you put it out there. But these are just dumb protest votes. And last I looked at the ratings, the five and four stars far out numbered the one stars.

Report the ones with the jackass comments and ignore the rest, I say.
Twg, do you recall all the things you called people like me this past week or two that were way worse than that example in the photo? I have a list of them in my mind, do you remember any of them?
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# 12
02-15-2013, 02:07 AM
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Report the ones with the jackass comments and ignore the rest, I say.
Twas my intent.
And what I shall return to.
I have no intention of allowing these haters to draw me back into pointless arguments here on the forums.
Honestly, they can all continue their hate.
For my part, I shall continue to strive to find the ways and places in this game that players from many different groups can come together and create great things.

Haters gonna Hate.

Shrug.

Personally, more or less done with the whole hate thing.
It never solves anything.

So, if it makes these people feel better somehow , they can one star bandit all around my mission. I hope it brings them inner peace. But I will not accept harassment.


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# 13
02-15-2013, 02:09 AM
Peace out bro, thanks for responding.
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# 14
02-15-2013, 02:10 AM
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But you say one-starring doesn't damage you, that's what I was trying to determine. If that alone is deemed reportable I'd like to know.
If that's all you want to know then no it isn't reportable and shouldn't be. If it's done with the intention of hurting the mission and/or the author then you could argue that maybe it could be.

The comments though can be bad!

Are you done posting in your undies from your grandma's basement?

(see what I did there? )

Check out my Foundry missions:
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# 15
02-15-2013, 02:16 AM
I'm not offended, you may be right (:

I don't like racist comments, or being likened unto criminals (more slanderous things)
but I don't care if you see me as being in my undies when I type.

Wimp eating hot pockets isn't that bad really, insulting a bit like what you did.

I don't see the difference in systematically 1-starring people, and doing that while explaining why in comments. All the same to me. It's a protest, not illegal in my mind.
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# 16
02-15-2013, 02:28 AM
You want to know what I actually think about all this, since I haven't actually commented on it elsewhere. Go listen to Foundry Roundtable.

http://starbaseugc.com/index.php/tra...tric-boogaloo/

I'm pretty much done with the forums.
There is no way here to actually have people listen.
Aside from one very angry post well over a month ago, I have called for compromise, and how do we find solutions here that work for everyone, but one angry post demonized me in someone's eyes and they cried my name loudly and attributed to me, all sorts of things. Once that happened, anything I have to say here is useless, because all someone sees is my name and instantly, I am that guy who made an angry post before he'd had his cup of Earl Grey that day. Doesn't matter what I'm actually saying.

So, I'm done here with the forums.
If anyone gives a hoot about my opinions. (Hint : I bet you end up NOT hating me as much as you think you do, then have a listen to the new podcast. Write feedback. Be constructive. Let's have real conversations.)

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# 17
02-15-2013, 02:31 AM
Good show, I listened to it. You suggested fleet marks be added back somewhere else and not be removed entirely, thanks for that. Listened to the first one as well.

I'm just concerned about what I saw on twitter, and my understanding of what is reportable and/or harassment.




EDIT: If someone is going around picking up Foundry missions, dropping them instantly, 1 starring them out of spite, and leaving protesting comments, this would not be right and should be reported to a GM. As the GM investigates, this would be evident by seeing the same name with review timestamps around the same date/time over and over. I'm not sure what actions the GM would take, whether it was to remove the comment and/or ask the player to stop, but they should at least be aware. One star ratings and comments from someone who didn't like the mission is fine, that's why there is a review/comment/rate process, but our GMs can easily tell whether someone has not played the mission as they would see comments only a matter of minutes later on different mission reviews. Someone doesn't have to play the mission to review, maybe they found a bug and had to drop, but if you saw the same name saying the same comment in multiple missions within a few minutes within each other, I think we can all agree that something wouldn't be quite right. ~BranFlakes
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# 18
02-15-2013, 03:02 AM
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I'm just concerned about what I saw on twitter, and my understanding of what is reportable and/or harassment.
So, here's the way I see it.
You may see something as harassment, that I do not.
Vice Versa.
I may see something as harassing that you do not.

My belief is that if you find something harassing, you should report it, and allow the Cryptic and PWE employees make decisions. It's what they get paid for, and in my world, not worth getting my shoulder muscles in a bunch worrying about past reporting it.

May be they agree that it is harassing, may be they do not.
The proper thing to do in my opinion is to simply pass it on to them, and let them decide.

shrug.

Just my opinion.


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# 19
02-15-2013, 03:25 AM
I guess I'm just used to terms like harassment having very solid, unwavering definitions.
I agree people will interpret things differently though.

I reported something I thought (perhaps imagined) was a racist post that moderators didn't agree with I suppose. It offended me and my significant other, but nobody else I guess.
So you're dead on there.

I was just thinking, I could one-star you and say, "too much dialogue", "too much watering flowers", "too long" etc. and be totally wrong and you'd have no recourse right?

So what's the difference if I'm totally wrong associating you with a nerf, or aggressively involving devs in foundry matters. Do we need to succeed at a test or a survey before we can cast a rating?

This is why I suggested you more prominent authors just find a way to rate yourselves and turn off public ratings. I don't have to be allowed to rate you, but if you leave the option, there's a good chance I will. Let your success be determined by number of plays or Branflakes or Kestrel or somebody. If it's open to the public, get used to crazy stuff.

Hey, maybe have two ratings. Authors' choice and public. I tried to suggest this to you a week ago but you told me I was being wacko and venomous. Authors would have more time to do that than Branflakes by himself. Pick 5 or 10 a week, add them to your roster and let them vote too. That happens in the baseball all-star games for example, and coaches/sportswriters' polls.

Authors already in could nominate or sponsor new additions. I think that'd be cool. Have a drop down for both ratings. Good stories would NEVER be buried, right?
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# 20
02-15-2013, 03:47 AM
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If it's open to the public, get used to crazy stuff.
Agreed. The world is a very crazy place.
It is my belief that the first "review" in the image you linked went into the territory or personal, harassing attack, which made it reportable. So it was reported.
The other was part of a systematic harassment of any foundry mission/author in the Spotlight (In my Opinion) Which made it reportable, so I reported it.
The Cryptic/PWE employees can decide what to do with from there.

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Hey, maybe have two ratings. Authors' choice and public. I tried to suggest this to you a week ago but you told me I was being wacko and venomous. Authors would have more time to do that than Branflakes by himself. Pick 5 or 10 a week, add them to your roster and let them vote too. That happens in the baseball all-star games for example, and coaches/sportswriters' polls.

Authors already in could nominate or sponsor new additions. I think that'd be cool. Have a drop down for both ratings. Good stories would NEVER be buried, right?

My personal opinion, is that the current "rating" system is a pile of garbage.
1 to 5 Stars or lollipops or Birthday Cakes or Corvettes or whatever.
Any system where the rating is 1 to 5 will always fail to do anything but draw everything being judged within that system to slowly circle towards 3.

3 has amazing gravity apparently.

What we need is a well thought out and robust tagging and searching system for missions.

The primary reason I am against anything that brings in a concept of "authors choice" is that it just adds a further layer of "rating" to things.

Ratings are a whole other conversation, but i think you begin to see why I don't care about 1 star or 5 star or blue star or red star. None of it matters. A truly working tag and search system along with a UI overhaul are what I think the Foundry can most benefit from.

Seriously,
I'm out of here.
The forums scare me these days


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