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Lt. Commander
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# 11
02-18-2013, 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tiroboomer View Post
Gene would feel great! He oversaw and was happy with a lot of it over the course of his life.

...what would make him sad is the loss of the integrity. The loss of the message. It's ok if the message of Star Trek is on the side of a cup you paid an outrageous amount for... but if the message was ever lost, that would be damning to the human race as a whole.

Even if Gene needs to convince you to pay for it, or if you can get it for free without merchandise attached, that message of peace, hope, love, and seeking to be a better person at all times in all things, is what is important.
But how would Gene feel about those who were wealthier having an advantage over those who weren't? Is that "humanist" point of view after all then?
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# 12
02-18-2013, 03:11 AM
Gene wrote lyrics to the original series opening titles song just so he could get royalties paid to him every time the song was played. That tells us everything we need to know to estimate what his opinion would be on the ethics of turning STO into a virtual merchandise emporium.

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But how would Gene feel about those who were wealthier having an advantage over those who weren't? Is that "humanist" point of view after all then?
Do your own research. Find out how charitable Gene was towards his underprivileged brother with all the money he made.

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# 13
02-18-2013, 03:16 AM
Who cares what Gene would think?

TOS was great for its time, and for its audience, but let's face it... when Gene was allowed a heavier hand in the development of anything Star Trek post-TOS, it was awful.

The first movie is horribly boring, and the first two seasons are largely the worst parts of TNG. Once Gene let go of Star Trek, it started becoming something really good again, and something more relate-able to the audiences.

Gene didn't know how to make something "timeless", and as said before in this thread, he wasn't exactly a paragon of integrity. We really shouldn't worry about what he would or wouldn't say, since he turned into the anchor around Star Trek's neck anyway.
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# 14
02-18-2013, 03:22 AM
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Who cares what Gene would think?
Didn't you know? It's the justification people use to whine about STO and modern Trek in general. It's called "Appeal to Authority". A dead authority is even better because then the person doing the complaining can claim that their interpretation of the dead authority is unassailable and thus they can treat everything they don't like as blasphemy against the word-of-god. Expect to see "he must be spinning in his grave" used more than once by such a person.

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Captain
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# 15
02-18-2013, 03:27 AM
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Didn't you know? It's the justification people use to whine about STO and modern Trek in general. It's called "Appeal to Authority". A dead authority is even better because then the person doing the complaining can claim that their interpretation of the dead authority is unassailable and thus they can treat everything they don't like as blasphemy against the word-of-god. Expect to see "he must be spinning in his grave" used more than once by such a person.
To be fair, if Gene's body is hooked up to a Thanatropic Generator, then perhaps Cryptic might be doing society a very important service.
Rihannsu
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# 16
02-18-2013, 03:36 AM
How would any of the original creators of contend or holidays feel upon seeing it commercialized?

I mean, just about every existing holiday is nothing but a marketing event now, same with every major fandom, Transformers, Gundam, DBZ, South Park, Star Trek..

All of it revolves around money now, no matter what the original creators made it for.
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# 17
02-18-2013, 03:45 AM
Gene was just a regular guy that made a TV show that happened to appeal to people who tend to get quite fanatical about the genre in general.

He wanted to get rich as much as anybody, he had strained relationships with his family and was in no way shape or form the ideal person. He lived in the real world with the rest of us.

Yes he had a wonderful vision of the future where mankind had put aside its differences and stopped fighting each other, but when you really think about it, how unique is that vision? The vast majority of people want a world without violence and war. Just most of us are not tv writers.

Star Trek has been commercialized for decades. go to any convention, buy any memorabilia, get any actors autograph and you pay through the nose. Gene would have had no problem with that. yes he probably would not like the overall direction of the story in STO but I'm certain he would not have liked DS9 either, or some of the later parts of TNG either, but they are what they are.

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# 18
02-18-2013, 03:57 AM
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Yet everything about STO is created for the sole purpose of putting wealth in the pockets of the makers.
So every other game about Star Trek, every Trek-line of miniatures, costumes, books, gadgets, playing cards, christmas ornaments etc...was for the sole purpose of having people enjoy it and to spread the vision of a brighter future. Oh those times when I could see a Star Trek movie for free at the theatre or were able to enjoy hundres of episodes without a single commercial break...

Really. If it weren't for the purpose of making money, Star Trek would never seen more than a pilot episode.
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# 19
02-18-2013, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by lucianazeta View Post
How would any of the original creators of contend or holidays feel upon seeing it commercialized?

I mean, just about every existing holiday is nothing but a marketing event now, same with every major fandom, Transformers, Gundam, DBZ, South Park, Star Trek..

All of it revolves around money now, no matter what the original creators made it for.
Transformers, DBZ and Gundam were made to better the world? Wow, that just made my day
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# 20
02-18-2013, 04:03 AM
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Transformers, DBZ and Gundam were made to better the world? Wow, that just made my day


They bettered MY world.

I also love that you left 'South Park' out of your objection.
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