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# 21
02-18-2013, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by blagorm View Post
Hello! I am General S'kaa of the Gorn Hegemony and I am here to tell you why the Empire needs attention! If you just going to bring this down, go back to the FEDs and stop bugging us mature people who honestly just want more for thier money here on the Empire.

RED=KLINGON
GREEN=SIDE ATTRACTIONS
BLUE=COMPARISON

Ships:

Well here is kinda a double sided thing. I will break it down into sections.

PROMOTION SHIP SELECTIONS

Ah yes, the wonders of the small selection of ships that are actually free. Let me see... ah Yes , Raptor 100% for Tacticals, Battle Cruiser 100% Engineer and BOP 100% Universial. And the main problem here is 1: Selection for all you get is they same ship beefed up and 2: NO SCIENCE VESSLES!!!!!!! The only free one you get is at LvL 40 (BG) and its a carrier! I mean sure carriers are good but to have to wait 20 lvls just to get a Science based ship is just sad!

ZEN STORE

Ah yes.. this too. Here is a General Idea... Last ZEN Ship? May 2013. Last Fed Ship for ZEN: December But there is more... with this fact in mind, KDF is sparce on LG Ships. 3 Regular, 1 Pack of 3. FEDs = 8 Regular and 2 Packs of 3 So mostly KDf = 6 LG Ships and FED = 14 LG Ships... THATS MORE THAN 2x THE AMOUNT! (This is NOT including other ranks)

NEWCOMMINGS

And we can not forget that new ship comming out this week (2/17/13>2/23/13) on Federation with (OMG) Side Facing Weapon Slots. On that note, very unfair to KDF.

NERFED

Well to make it short... some or most KDF ships are nerfed! Borstaqu is one (See talk on page 2). And I know there are some other ones as well that got into the deepest part of Grethor for Nerfs (For Gorn, Being with the Great Father)
FYI the only ship the KDF has received in the past 2 years was the Hoh'sus bird of prey. All others have been copy/paste versions of ships made for federation and slapped onto a different ship model for the KDF ...with minor tweakages.

Fleet ships do not count as 'new' because its again a mere copy/paste with minor tweaks. I'm talking NEW ship designs. In the likes of the armitage, the vesta, the yellowstone, etc. The Hoh'sus was really the only new ship made for the KDF that provided *some* small break-away from the standard ship design (we gots escort with 4 tac consoles! OMG!).

Now the federation is receiving another freaking overpowered escort with unique design (broadside) and the kdf gets... more empty promises.

It would be really nice of the devs if they could hold off on their federation bias and at least have the balls to make a unique KDF ship and release it alongside the Fed unique ship WITHOUT THEM BEING COPIES OF EACH OTHER.
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# 22
02-18-2013, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by evendzhar View Post
But what about all the closet Klingons? I've heard estimates that as many as 60% of all Trekkies occasionally dress up as Klingons in secret. While I would personally never do such a thing, it's obvious that people do like to pretend being a Klingon.
And what about the people who don't want to wear heavy leather and black wigs in July?
I know.
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# 23
02-18-2013, 09:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blagorm View Post
Hello! I am General S'kaa of the Gorn Hegemony and I am here to tell you why the Empire needs attention! If you just going to bring this down, go back to the FEDs and stop bugging us mature people who honestly just want more for thier money here on the Empire.

RED=KLINGON
GREEN=SIDE ATTRACTIONS
BLUE=COMPARISON

Ships:

Well here is kinda a double sided thing. I will break it down into sections.

PROMOTION SHIP SELECTIONS

Ah yes, the wonders of the small selection of ships that are actually free. Let me see... ah Yes , Raptor 100% for Tacticals, Battle Cruiser 100% Engineer and BOP 100% Universial. And the main problem here is 1: Selection for all you get is they same ship beefed up and 2: NO SCIENCE VESSLES!!!!!!! The only free one you get is at LvL 40 (BG) and its a carrier! I mean sure carriers are good but to have to wait 20 lvls just to get a Science based ship is just sad!

ZEN STORE

Ah yes.. this too. Here is a General Idea... Last ZEN Ship? May 2013. Last Fed Ship for ZEN: December But there is more... with this fact in mind, KDF is sparce on LG Ships. 3 Regular, 1 Pack of 3. FEDs = 8 Regular and 2 Packs of 3 So mostly KDf = 6 LG Ships and FED = 14 LG Ships... THATS MORE THAN 2x THE AMOUNT! (This is NOT including other ranks)

NEWCOMMINGS

And we can not forget that new ship comming out this week (2/17/13>2/23/13) on Federation with (OMG) Side Facing Weapon Slots. On that note, very unfair to KDF.

NERFED

Well to make it short... some or most KDF ships are nerfed! Borstaqu is one (See talk on page 2). And I know there are some other ones as well that got into the deepest part of Grethor for Nerfs (For Gorn, Being with the Great Father)

Level

Now, I know I have heard rumors of there being lvl 1-50 for KDF. I do trust Cryptic.. but they say May, I belive they wont. The only reason I say this is because think of how long the Borg Mission: Into the Hive took to air. And other thing, why plan this 2 years after made anyways? It is like annoying on so many levels that this wasnt done before. But also, lets not forget a big problem.. Missions...

Missions

Well this is short and sweet! KDF=8 Missions to Self - FED=Countless Missions (Like Round 50) And also by looking at this, they have things that are enemies to BOTH factions, yet KDF can't do it. I know that the LvL MIGHT come for KDF but how do we know if it gonna be good quality, good quanity, and more missios for lvls 20-50.

Travel and Land

KDF Can not get to Cardassian Space without going to Deferia Space. FEDs Just waltz over border. Also, KDF has no other Social planets but Qo'nos and Gandala. Lastly, KDF is an Empire, NOT a Colony. Spread them out more.

Population

Excuse.

Queues

With how you make KDF, people do play less on it, but don't use THAT excuse. And you know thoses Klingon Only Queues? They take forever to load. That is also a Big Problem we have.

New Faction!?!??!?!?!?!

I really do trust Cryptic but some things just lets me out of the trust. They are planning to do so for KDF before Romulans but you got to remember.... we think different after the promises made long times ago. And if you do make things for us quickly to try to get a new faction, we know or belive it will be nerfed. You really got to up your ancy with this. If we don't trust you now, how can we trust you in May? You will gain our trust if you show you are really going to work hard on KDF. I hope to see it soon.

If you have more things that is unfair for KDF vs FED or want to continue topics please post below in Red
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Costumes 3 Topics

NOT ALL KDF IS KDF

Remember this: In the Empire, people are not fond of it. They don't like Klingons and are discrete from thier own race. Get some more racial costumes. Things like for Gorn, Orion, etc.

FEATURES

Kinda more of a basic thing for Character Creator and Costume Changer (Tailor) For example, I have a Gorn Character. I am 9ft tall and Bulky. I see other Gorn NPCs 12ft tall and extreme bulk (Holdch) and 12ft tall that looks like Gorn Playable now. (Raw'qu) all I would love to look like. I now feel small as a Gorn to know I cant be as Big as other Gorns. (From sander233) > Gorn are in thier PRIME at 9 Feet tall. This needs a lot of work by that standard.
Same for other races. Some have features that NPC's cant. I would like to see this for a nice touch to RP and fun.

COLORS

The Colors we have make me wanna barf. Its all mucky brown and dark.. try adding some newer colors... but still keep the ones we have now.

For Both KDF and FED- Ground Vehicles

I mean who wants to walk all the time? It just gets annoying... I think it be nice to have Ground Vehicles so we can have fast land commute AND be that they have specifical race ones. Maybe factional depending on your budget but still.

starchaos' idea Well you are right about teleporting... but we can only teleport to single handedly placed areas.... not just anywhere. That woudl be nicer than ground vehicles. Thank you for that comment.

Homeworlds

Well to be honest, some homeworlds are just not acsess able.. and being only about 5 to 6 races, I am sure it is possible to do so... For some Feds have homeworlds in them.

Gorn Homeworld

With this, I hate that all you say is "Gorn Homeworld" for there is a true name for the Gorn Homeworld: Gornar Try t make this so cause every other race but this one is blanked out. I tink there may be others but I use Gorn as a starting point for 1: Most my chars and 2: They are treated worst than the Empire is treated.

If you have any other special ideas please post below in Green
Very wel lsaid.

Cryptic should listen and start to take serious steps.
Cryptic's shamefull history with the KDF

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# 24
02-18-2013, 09:41 AM
I would like to point out how Cryptic finally realized that a Fleet Norgh BoP with 16500 hull was just a bad joke.

It's not that they don't pay attention to KDF. It's that they are often an after thought.

Why else would you still be beaming to the Shipyard when you wanted to beam to First City.
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# 25
02-18-2013, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by erei1 View Post
Finally, even if the feds have more ships, Cryptic already said several of the KDF ship didn't sold enough to make it for the cost. This is a problem to see more KDF ship. They are sure to make money with feds ships, while they are not with KDF.
Honestly, that has to be one of the worst excuses I have ever heard of in my life.
They gimp a faction making a requirement to make a lvl 25 Federation char. to unlock it, then give it something like 10-20% of the content a Fed.player has, then make it's end-game content to reek of Fed. copy-paste elements, then ignore the bugs or put them on long hold and after all of that they say that they'll hold on releasing new KDF ships because they don't make money out of them.
Well, how the heck did they expect to make money out of them when they made the KDF playable to only hardcore Klingon fans, or people like me that happen to enjoy playing the underdog faction? I'm no expert, but in business you make a product that will attract the customers and then charge for it. You don't expect people to come and pay for a product you may make afterwards just because they like you.
Sometimes their logic is just *facepalm*

Now, OP, I agree with 95% of what you said, but I have a few comments:

I don't see the Bortasqu' as being gimped. It's different to use than most KDF ships, but it's a beast in disguise. I found that it refuses to die....ever.

Don't rush out a call on a Federation "broadsider" ship, since we have yet to find out if the Andorian one in the pic will have that ability. As far as we know, it may or may not.

Ground Vechiles? Please don't give them any more short-term ideas of how to make something for low efort - instazen as we'll never see proper content.

Homeworlds - I'd love to see more KDF social zones. Although Nausicaa is in Federation space and Ferasa in tha Alpha quadrant, I see no problem to have Gornar & Ter'jas Mor as social zones and homeworlds. Unfortunately, since they have yet to add Tellar Prime which is the homeworld of a founding species of the Federation, I suspect they'll endulge us over the Feds. with this. Although I wish for a change that they would.
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# 26
02-18-2013, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by shpoks View Post
Honestly, that has to be one of the worst excuses I have ever heard of in my life.
They gimp a faction making a requirement to make a lvl 25 Federation char. to unlock it, then give it something like 10-20% of the content a Fed.player has, then make it's end-game content to reek of Fed. copy-paste elements, then ignore the bugs or put them on long hold and after all of that they say that they'll hold on releasing new KDF ships because they don't make money out of them.
Well, how the heck did they expect to make money out of them when they made the KDF playable to only hardcore Klingon fans, or people like me that happen to enjoy playing the underdog faction? I'm no expert, but in business you make a product that will attract the customers and then charge for it. You don't expect people to come and pay for a product you may make afterwards just because they like you.
Sometimes their logic is just *facepalm*

Now, OP, I agree with 95% of what you said, but I have a few comments:

I don't see the Bortasqu' as being gimped. It's different to use than most KDF ships, but it's a beast in disguise. I found that it refuses to die....ever.

Don't rush out a call on a Federation "broadsider" ship, since we have yet to find out if the Andorian one in the pic will have that ability. As far as we know, it may or may not.

Ground Vechiles? Please don't give them any more short-term ideas of how to make something for low efort - instazen as we'll never see proper content.

Homeworlds - I'd love to see more KDF social zones. Although Nausicaa is in Federation space and Ferasa in tha Alpha quadrant, I see no problem to have Gornar & Ter'jas Mor as social zones and homeworlds. Unfortunately, since they have yet to add Tellar Prime which is the homeworld of a founding species of the Federation, I suspect they'll endulge us over the Feds. with this. Although I wish for a change that they would.

I have been a KDF player since the release of the game.

I do agree that the Klingon faction does need serious help in content and I have been trying to get the developers to get the KDF up to speed or equal to the Federation side or at least balanced with ships and missions. I also realize it will take time to get the Klingon Faction up to speed with the Federation side; providing the developers are willing to put forth time to work on KDF Content.

I have also been instrumental in getting a lot of improvements done to the KDF side in the past. Some of you might remember a group called KDFA where different fleets and independent players joined once a week to discuss idea's for KDF content and discuss bugs that needed to be fixed.

If your just starting your KDF character now count your blessings that grinding now is a whole lot easier than when the game was first released. To be honest the KDF side was just a PVP faction with little or no content at all when the game was first released 3 years ago.

I also still feel that the Klingon Faction needs whole lot more work on content for the KDF player base. I understand your frustration with the lack of content. I know it all too well. But I am proud that Cryptic was willing to put in most of or the majority of the idea's that we submitted in the past into the game when the group KDFA was still in session. Now today present time the KDFA has been dissolved for quite sometime. But I am and my fleet is still keeping the fight for the Klingon Faction to improve.

Cordially,

Sa'Chang ( Fleet leader of the House of Blood Dragon's )
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# 27
02-18-2013, 12:15 PM
It's amazing how any post related to the KDF get moved from General Discussion to the KFD section but many Fed related topics are aloud to remain.

The KDF needs all the exposure that we can get but we can only be heard if all can see it.
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# 29
02-18-2013, 01:22 PM
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FYI the only ship the KDF has received in the past 2 years was the Hoh'sus bird of prey. All others have been copy/paste versions of ships made for federation and slapped onto a different ship model for the KDF ...with minor tweakages.

Fleet ships do not count as 'new' because its again a mere copy/paste with minor tweaks. I'm talking NEW ship designs. In the likes of the armitage, the vesta, the yellowstone, etc. The Hoh'sus was really the only new ship made for the KDF that provided *some* small break-away from the standard ship design (we gots escort with 4 tac consoles! OMG!).

Now the federation is receiving another freaking overpowered escort with unique design (broadside) and the kdf gets... more empty promises.

It would be really nice of the devs if they could hold off on their federation bias and at least have the balls to make a unique KDF ship and release it alongside the Fed unique ship WITHOUT THEM BEING COPIES OF EACH OTHER.

... mmmm you forgot that they now have our best consoles!!! and we have the worst of them
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# 30
02-18-2013, 02:42 PM
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