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Ensign
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# 61
02-21-2013, 08:50 AM
the fact , that so many people are willing to pay for star trek is a good thing,
as long as the quality is right
STO has come a long way since launch,that wouldnt be possible without perfect world
i have no problems with the devs driving ferraris, as long as they do a good job
STO was heavily underfunded and underdeveloped at launch,,as most mmos are
but they listened to the fans, and made apologies when needed
and that goes a long way when keepeing the mmo crowd in line
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# 62
02-21-2013, 09:04 AM
As long as the check cleared, I'm pretty sure Gene would be A-ok with it.

Remember - this is the guy who wrote lyrics to the TOS theme. Why? So he could get a cut of the music composers royalty check. To his credit, he didn't use the lyrics - but still.

I'm not judging, by the way - he had a great idea and he was entitled to make money off of it. But don't think just because he came up with a successful television/movie franchise that he was an altruistic hippie.

Gene liked the benjamins.

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# 63
02-21-2013, 09:10 AM
Beyond the rim of the star light
My love is wand'ring in star flight
I know, he'll find in star-clustered reaches
Love, strange love a star-woman teaches
I know his journey ends never
His Star Trek will go on forever
so tell him while he wanders his starry sea;
remember, remember me


No, seriously. I wish I were making that up.
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# 64
02-21-2013, 09:34 AM
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As long as the check cleared, I'm pretty sure Gene would be A-ok with it.

Remember - this is the guy who wrote lyrics to the TOS theme. Why? So he could get a cut of the music composers royalty check. To his credit, he didn't use the lyrics - but still.

I'm not judging, by the way - he had a great idea and he was entitled to make money off of it. But don't think just because he came up with a successful television/movie franchise that he was an altruistic hippie.

Gene liked the benjamins.
YUP!

I'm sure he would have liked the Na'kuhl too... Season 1 of TOS was the most bizarre season of Star Trek in the History of Star Trek. Why? Because of Roddenberry.
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# 65
02-21-2013, 09:58 AM
Whatever Gene would think is irrelevant, I suppose. I do not mean that the question by the OP should not have been asked, it is a good question, and prompted good discussion, so please do not think by irrelevant, I mean the question itself was.

Gene put a product out there on the market, and his liking what it has become, or not liking it, has no bearings on where it will go. It is a chance you take, when you sell your idea. Since I was a child I have drawn my own "comics", created my own characters, and throughout my life I have been asked why I never got into the business.
Even were I good enough, which some believe I am, I would not wish to sell my "art" (yes, in quotations, lol, art is in the eye of the beholder, much like beauty). It will be given to my children, who enjoy reading it. I find nothing better than to hear "Dad, where is the comic you were doing, I want to catch up."

It is funny, though, that on the other hand, I would not hesitate to sell a short story, or a novel for that matter, and when this "writer's block passes"..or maybe just laziness, I will continue writing one I plan on attempting to publish. Once the item is sold, depending on the rights and such, it may no longer be mine. However, I personally take consolation, and I am sure many writers/artists do so as well, in that it is simply fun putting something out there, and waiting to see what it becomes.

From reading some things about Star Trek and Gene Roddenberry, he was not happy with some of the plots, and some of the designs. However, he always took pride in knowing that he was the one to come up with the characters, and the world they reside in.

Now say what you will about Cryptic, and I know there are always those that will complain no matter what, but they have put together an awesome amount of information that truly sticks to the Star Trek theme, while reaching to gamers as well. I know it isn't a popular thing to say, about any online game anymore it seems, but I am very pleased with STO, despite the little bugs, that yes hit me too, and some of the marketing gimmicks. They are a company, that provide a product, that you do not have to spend one dime on if you so choose not to. How would Gene feel about it? I enjoy it, therefor, it really doesn't matter to me.
May he rest in peace. This is not a post against him, or even meant negative about him. He was a creative person, and did a very good job with the product he created. He was a visionary, especially for the time he created it in. He was also apparently something of a business man, and I cannot fault him for that either.
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# 66
02-21-2013, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by syberghost View Post
Beyond the rim of the star light
My love is wand'ring in star flight
I know, he'll find in star-clustered reaches
Love, strange love a star-woman teaches
I know his journey ends never
His Star Trek will go on forever
so tell him while he wanders his starry sea;
remember, remember me


No, seriously. I wish I were making that up.
Holy crap. Those are the actual lyrics? Dear God those are awful. If I were the composer of the theme and Gene tried to lay that over my music, I'd have had to kill him.
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# 67
02-21-2013, 11:21 AM
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Holy crap. Those are the actual lyrics? Dear God those are awful. If I were the composer of the theme and Gene tried to lay that over my music, I'd have had to kill him.
But...but...if Gene wrote them, that means they're gospel! They can't be bad because Gene's vision is always right even when it isn't!



(At least thats what some fans will tell you)
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# 68
02-21-2013, 01:06 PM
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Holy crap. Those are the actual lyrics? Dear God those are awful. If I were the composer of the theme and Gene tried to lay that over my music, I'd have had to kill him.
He was pretty furious. Didn't kill anyone, but he did take his toys and go home. Literally - he destroyed several songs he was working on for the show and refused to ever work with anyone involved.
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# 69
02-21-2013, 04:06 PM
I don't think Gene would what has happened to his creation.I can olny guess he might of fired Bermon and Braga for ever bringing TNG out so soon on the big screen.I know he would not approve of Enterprise and JJs Star Trek.

Bermon and Brag for fired anyway not to long after Enterprise was cancalled.
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# 70
02-21-2013, 07:41 PM
He was Roddenberry not Gandhi, if he had a beef with STO at all, it would be because he wasn't raking in the profits himself.
I have to comment that the "STO Is All About Money" mantra that this topic is a thin veil for is getting really boring and repetitive.
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