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# 101
02-21-2013, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cidstorm View Post
Fun fact about the BOP.
The original was meant to be a stolen Romulan ship, hence the term Bird of Prey and the feathered wing designs. I'm all for more BOP's in the game, but lets not give it an undeserved standing.
Well, if we are giving the Bird of Prey an undeserved standing being the most characteristic klingon ship and the main klingon force and the most versatile klingon ship then, so be it.
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# 102
02-21-2013, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by doomicile View Post
Just put the JHAS in the C-store already. Balance restored, everybody wins.
I like flying BoPs. Gimme a refit B'rel, a proper one, and I'll be very happy.


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# 103
02-21-2013, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by snoge00f View Post
I like flying BoPs. Gimme a refit B'rel, a proper one, and I'll be very happy.
I know I know. I was just joking but I bet there are a lot of people out there who have and will dole out $50 thinking they're going to school a Bug in it.

I like flying cruisers, especially the Galaxy so I know your pain.
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# 104
02-21-2013, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cidstorm View Post
Fun fact about the BOP.
The original was meant to be a stolen Romulan ship, hence the term Bird of Prey and the feathered wing designs. I'm all for more BOP's in the game, but lets not give it an undeserved standing.
It was given its standing. Even after ILMs leaving its romulans accents and the script change for ST3 to being a klingon ship, the classic BoP look from the movies and later Tv series afterwards has become an iconic image that is instantly recognizable as Klingon.
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# 105
02-21-2013, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by beefsupreme79 View Post
We arent looking for more hit and run ships, we want bops that can sustain a normal fight. I do like the alpha tactic, but currently thats the only thing a bop can do
you want an escort then, a bop is all about the hit and run, and the creativeness from the universal stations. if your trying to fly a bop like an escort your doing it wrong you wont survive a dog fight. if you want them to make a bop like an escort, well its not a bop anymore.

personally i think klingon escorts should have been bops. they are tactical focused, in no way are they the most versatile thing ever, they have always had that single purpose.
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# 106
02-21-2013, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
you want an escort then, a bop is all about the hit and run, and the creativeness from the universal stations. if your trying to fly a bop like an escort your doing it wrong you wont survive a dog fight. if you want them to make a bop like an escort, well its not a bop anymore.

personally i think klingon escorts should have been bops. they are tactical focused, in no way are they the most versatile thing ever, they have always had that single purpose.
I have to agree. I do wish to keep the raider in the BoP as a HnR ship capable of dogfighting but not neccassarily being a slugger heavy wieght.

I still think the OP has a good idea for 3pack for the KDF.
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# 107
02-21-2013, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
they are tactical focused, in no way are they the most versatile thing ever, they have always had that single purpose.
I think the Birds of Prey were pretty versatile ships in the Star Trek universe (If you are talking about that). Correct me if I am wrong, but they were used as raiders as well as scout force. Even as cruisers.
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# 108
02-21-2013, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cidstorm View Post
Fun fact about the BOP.
The original was meant to be a stolen Romulan ship, hence the term Bird of Prey and the feathered wing designs. I'm all for more BOP's in the game, but lets not give it an undeserved standing.
NO you are 100% wrong... here is the real story for you.

" The Bird of Prey is one of the most common Klingon ships seen in the Star Trek franchise. Introduced in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, the Bird of Prey has featured in five of the films and frequently appears in The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. Industrial Light & Magic designed and built the Bird of Prey for Star Trek III, assisted by the film's director, Leonard Nimoy. In early drafts of the script, the Bird of Prey was to be a Romulan vessel; although this idea was later dropped, the Bird of Prey maintained its cloaking device as a plot point in the film and the Romulan bird feather patterns on its wings were kept. The Bird of Prey is the first Klingon vessel depicted with a cloaking device; all classes chronologically later in the series would also use a cloaking device. The wings of the Bird of Prey are able to move, lowering to attack, maintaining just above horizontal in flight mode and raising high when the ship lands. However, as the studio model's mechanism for moving the wings broke, in later Star Trek series' episodes the wings are usually fixed in either flight mode or attack mode. This was not rectified until the creation of a CGI model for the vessel. The studio models for the Bird of Prey were sold in the 2006 Christie's auction; the original model sold for US$307,200,[5] while an enlarged wing, used for close-up shots in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, was sold for US$8,400. " - Wikipedia

There it is... The first draft of the Star Trek III script was to feature a story about Kruge stealing a Romulan ship... however that was dropped and as such has nothing at all to do with cannon. The fact that following Klink Generals commanded bops in the later films is proof that it was dropped. Why would they install proto type cloaking on romulan ships ? The Bird of Prey is a Klingon Vessel... and in the time frame of the next gen... and the time frame of STO... it is the most widely deployed ship in the Klingon fleet... full stop.

ILM under Ken Ralston and with consultation from Niomy developed the Bird of Prey design as well as the excelsior, and the first grand earth space dock. That film was the jumping point for much of what most of us consider Iconic trek.
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# 109
02-21-2013, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
you want an escort then, a bop is all about the hit and run, and the creativeness from the universal stations. if your trying to fly a bop like an escort your doing it wrong you wont survive a dog fight. if you want them to make a bop like an escort, well its not a bop anymore.

personally i think klingon escorts should have been bops. they are tactical focused, in no way are they the most versatile thing ever, they have always had that single purpose.
NO you won't survive a dog fight NOW ... because Cryptic has boosted every ship in the game accept the bop.

Trust me if we are to go and do the "Classic" rules pvp right now... and you jump in a Lunch comparable fed escort... and I jump in the Classic Hegh... we will have a VERY good solid balanced dog fight.

The bop can't hang with the newer 4 years of power creep ships NO... because Cryptic has ignored it. You explain to me why that is... I can think of a few... but I won't accuse them of anything.
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# 110
02-21-2013, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by alhucemas View Post
I think the Birds of Prey were pretty versatile ships in the Star Trek universe (If you are talking about that). Correct me if I am wrong, but they were used as raiders as well as scout force. Even as cruisers.
Exactly. In Star Trek Cannon. The Bird of Prey visual layout was used on ships of many sizes.
There where small 10-30 crew bops like the B'rel that where scout/raider designs...
The K'Vort class has a crew compliment of 1500... that is not a raider.

If we are however going to pick apart canon issues with ships... lets get to the meat and potatoes... The Raptor was designed for Enterprise, the designers based it part of the ILM bop design... and was supposed to look like an early D7. The raptor was designed in Enterprise to have a Crew of 12 and be a scout vessel. It was ONLY ever in ONE episode EVER... and it a Scout vessel.... How that becomes the base for the Current Empires warship fleet is mind boggling. IF I was a canon nerd... it would bother me to no end that Cryptic choose that ship to represent the best in Klingon war tech.... if we are going to go all logical can you imagine this convo. "Hey guys we have this fantastic battle tech we call it Battle cloak that gives us a massive advantage over pretty much everyone else should we install it in our Warships.... NA why do that put it on that junky 200 year old raider." lol
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