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Join Date: Feb 2013
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# 1 New to the game
02-22-2013, 03:02 PM
I made my way up to level 24 on the federation side to unlock the KDF.

Now that I am here, I see how unfinished this faction truely is. Wow no wonder STO failed and went free to play if this is how they release expansions.

Doesn't give me much hope for Neverwinter being made by the same dev team.

Copy and paste 3rd anniversary missions, I mean why would a KDF want to help a federation member to kill more KDF people ?

As well as releasing more ships on the store for the feds and none for the KDF.

I certainly glad I am not paying a subscription for this game as its a shambles with the bridge officer bug and the lack of thought for other factions other than the federation.

Will play through the missions and episodes though just to finish the story. After that there wont be much point in sticking around.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 2
02-22-2013, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by relshar View Post
I made my way up to level 24 on the federation side to unlock the KDF.

Now that I am here, I see how unfinished this faction truely is. Wow no wonder STO failed and went free to play if this is how they release expansions.

Doesn't give me much hope for Neverwinter being made by the same dev team.

Copy and paste 3rd anniversary missions, I mean why would a KDF want to help a federation member to kill more KDF people ?

As well as releasing more ships on the store for the feds and none for the KDF.

I certainly glad I am not paying a subscription for this game as its a shambles with the bridge officer bug and the lack of thought for other factions other than the federation.

Will play through the missions and episodes though just to finish the story. After that there wont be much point in sticking around.
While you won't get any argument from me that the KDF content isn't at the same level as Federation, I would like to point out a few things.

1) Neverwinter isn't made by the same dev team. They have their own dev team, which is separate from the CO dev team, which is separate from the STO dev team. They all work at the same company, but the each have their own teams.

2) The anniversary event is subtly different in a few ways for Klingons, as for why you want to help, after the timeline changes, your character only remembers that life, and has a nagging feeling that things aren't as they should. They're just trying to get things back to the way they were. I'm not sure what you mean by helping a Federation member kill KDF, since you're trying to help send the Enterprise C back in time to protect the Klingons from a Romulan attack, but even if that wasn't the case, it would need to be done to restore the timeline proper.

3) Fed get more ship because there are more Fed players and so it's more profitable. Cryptic devs have stated that the Bortasque ships for KDF actually lost them money, in terms of the time and salaries they spent to make it versus what it earned them. It's a vicious cycle.
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# 3
02-23-2013, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tangolight View Post
While you won't get any argument from me that the KDF content isn't at the same level as Federation, I would like to point out a few things.

3) Fed get more ship because there are more Fed players and so it's more profitable. Cryptic devs have stated that the Bortasque ships for KDF actually lost them money, in terms of the time and salaries they spent to make it versus what it earned them. It's a vicious cycle.
There are more Fed players due to mismanagement and neglect of the KDF faction.

Of course the Bortas'qu lost money. It's a useless space whale that's outperfomed by Vor'chas or even the Negh'var. It's Cryptics own friggin fault it lost money.

If they wanna make money off of KDF, they need to make BoPs, destroyers, and agile battlecruisers that actually offer something worthwhile. KDF players tend to be slightly more savvy about their ship purchases.
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# 4
02-23-2013, 12:02 PM
yea, the Big B was a looser in the cash box simply because it may have been a big ship, but it wasn't the type of ship KDF players wanted. While strong, it lacks agility.


No manuverability? no sale. The only thing interesting about it are the consoles, and they can only be used on the big B's. Hopefully Cryptic learned from that error. I'm hoping in the fututre they revisit the big B's and make them more worth while to the players.. maybe some sort of fleet refit that addresses the worst of its failings which are its horrid turn rate and its not so very good cloak.

Still, don't be in to big a rush.. There is a fairly substancial rumor t the KDF faction is getting a whole buch of love coming May, though things may be a little slim untill then
(we got asked a few months back that if we had our druthers would we like a little bit at a time, or a whole bunch at once.. the concensus was a whole bunch at once though a ship now and again would be nice.)

Small dev team, a lack of clear vision as to where the game was to go. changing directions constantly, the game picked up originally by the studio from..um carbine wasn't it? previous developer went under. Cryptic bought the rights, made game, game incomplete at launch but playable. KDF purely a PvP faction only at launch. Much change since then.

studio sold by original owner for a massivly inflated amount of money which appaerntly didn't save Atari's intrnational presence.. (Atari US was apparently able to hang onto a goodly amount of the sale price of cryptic... they still haven't a clue what they want to do with them selves, but they are still there.)

There is a lot of fun to be had KDF side. A special note, your KDF toons you will rapidly discover will make dilithium hand over fist like nobodies biz! And have more fun doing it.

Approch STO as a casual play game.. something to log into when your boored with the rest untill you learn the subtleties of it. There actually is some rather surprising depth to the game once you start getting involved with the rep and doff systems. The synergies between the systems and how they effect your main characters ship and crew are involved to say the least.

The game is F2P, so unless your allready spending money for lock boxes or c-store ships, its only costing you time to play. I personally don't like F2P.. but then I've always subscribed to the concept of you don't get something for nothing, and there aint no free lunch. It might be a gift, but it aint free.. someone always pays for it all.

Of note, I am a life time member... so I shelled out quite a bit early on. I still don't think I've gotten my moneys worth *grin* but it has gotten better.

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# 5
02-23-2013, 12:12 PM
Cryptic can't admit that it's their fault. Unfortunately for Cryptic, KDF players on average are far more intelligent and wiser than their fed counterparts. They think before wasting money. If they actually gave them stuff they wanted Cryptic would make money out of KDF.
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# 6
02-23-2013, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by relshar View Post
I made my way up to level 24 on the federation side to unlock the KDF.

Now that I am here, I see how unfinished this faction truely is. Wow no wonder STO failed and went free to play if this is how they release expansions.

Doesn't give me much hope for Neverwinter being made by the same dev team.

Copy and paste 3rd anniversary missions, I mean why would a KDF want to help a federation member to kill more KDF people ?

As well as releasing more ships on the store for the feds and none for the KDF.

I certainly glad I am not paying a subscription for this game as its a shambles with the bridge officer bug and the lack of thought for other factions other than the federation.

Will play through the missions and episodes though just to finish the story. After that there wont be much point in sticking around.
Free-to-play means you failed?

Wow... you REALLY are new to MMO's

And also, STO doesn't have 'expansions'; they never have. Instead, they have smaller 'big' updates called Seasons (like the show)
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# 7
02-23-2013, 12:43 PM
Welcome, warrior. OP.

May may hold the way to better KDF experience.
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# 8
02-23-2013, 03:13 PM
Yeah, I must confess the KDF has been completely shafted with story line especially. I signed up a while back and really, other than trying to get to end game as quickly as possible to do the end game stuff there is nothing there for KDF.

I think there could have just as easily been the same quality of storlines and missions that the Feds received. I have seen previous incarnations of Star Trek in various video games do a far more superior job in this. It's a shame because it feels like the Fed side is getting the missions and stuff that really is more Klingon in nature at times than it is Fed side.
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Posts: 23
# 9
02-24-2013, 12:13 AM
Thanks for the info, I usualy play STO when nothing is going on with my Eve Online corp, tried pvp in STO and found it to be much like pvp in other MMO's. No ship loss, no equipment loss, no stat loss in fact no death penalty. Once the match was over no buffs for the winning sides either. Very poor.

Lockboxes yeh I have about 30 of them now I would rather grind dilithium to sell for zen than to fork out cash for the keys on a random number generator that could give me nice stuff. That way I am not wasting money.

As for the ships on the C-Store I refuse to pay out ?15 for a few pixels on a screen when the ships given to you as you level up are good enough for the job.


Still getting to grips with how to earn dilithium though doing the duty officers missions as and when they show up, lost a few of them due to not reading the descriptions ( execution, selling as slaves and the suicide one. My own fault there. )

I do like how when your character falls in a ground mission your away team will carry on fighting till they are all dead or they finish the enemies off and revive you. Was a nice surpprise when it happened the first time.
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