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# 1 It's Sort of Depressing...
02-24-2013, 01:24 PM
I actually skim over a lot of the threads in many of the different areas of the forums. I am thinking that most of us do.

I am picking up on a common theme amongst the Federation-centric and general forums that has me a bit down. That theme is a yearning for a true Romulan faction...and married to that theme are the ideas that for all intents and purposes the KDF as a faction should be considered "done" because it is likely that more players will flock to the Romulan faction anyway, and the KDF really does not need much new content...or ships...or storyline..and that it has been three years...and this is all the KDF should expect, other than the ability to start at level 1. I even saw one guy say that the number of ships are like 50 or so available at Tier 5, and that the KDF has more variety of vessels than the Feds do, and don't need any more ship types at all.

You know...if that happens (a new rom faction with the KDF being considered "done" as is)..well, I am a lifetime subscriber, so "leaving" the game is not really an option since I can pick it back up wherever I may have left off at...but if it goes down in this way, I will be extremely dissapointed.

I know that what is driving this is a certain demographic in the Federation player base that does not care the slightest for Klingon content or the KDF faction -- all they care about is getting into that sexy Romulan War Bird as soon as they can...and so they view the KDF as an obstacle to that goal...and obstacle that they really do not see as an obstacle because they -- in their own minds at least -- do not recognize the KDF as a true faction in this game.

It is sad. And depressing.
Captain
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# 2
02-24-2013, 01:29 PM
Back when this game was in beta I wanted to play a Romulan. That never happened. I was sad.

I play KDF though.

So at this point I find the Romulan faction idea rather entertaining. Because of my experience with the game's second faction.

I'm not sure what folks want, but I do know Cryptic won't deliver that. They didn't with the KDF.
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# 3
02-24-2013, 11:34 PM
I can tell you right now that even before STO even existed, Romulan factions in Trek games have always had somewhat more allure to the typical player than Klingons. So this reaction is no surprise.

As for "finishing" the KDF, what do we really want, at this point? More ships, certainly. We could always use more ships, there remain large holes in terms of layouts that we'd love to see. But it seems like a lot of people simply want crap that isn't actually useful that they'll never really touch after they realize this. Levels 1 through 20? A hellishly long, pointlessly extended tutorial on the Fed side that has zero relevance to the actual game. It certainly won't produce much in the way of revenue. If you really want the KDF "finished", give us more freaking ships. And make it possible to pick that as your faction from the start. Forget the 1-20 nonsense. The option to skip it alone should be the selling point.
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# 4
02-24-2013, 11:59 PM
I enjoy playing both sides of the game. I play all 3 classes on both sides, and yet I know that every time I log onto a KDF toon, I'm playing a half-finished faction, which is truly unfortunate.

It's even more unfortunate how many Fed players think it's such a 'paradise' when it really isn't.

I'd be all for a Romulan faction, as long as said faction doesn't step on the faces of the KDF. I mean, I await with very bated breath, my chance to start leveling 3 Romulan toons (one of each class of course), and begin flying around in my D'deridex and such other ships.

But if that meant still returning to a half-finished KDF faction everyday, it wouldn't really change anything, and if anything would make it worse because then the devs would have to be looking 3 groups to deal with. The massive Federation, the unfinished KDF, and whatever state the Romulan faction would be in.

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# 5
02-25-2013, 12:43 AM
Well, what about the KDF is really half-finished, anyway? The only thing we're "missing" is levels 1 through 20 and the associated mindless mission content for crappy rewards no one actually would want. Is this something we need? Every other piece of end-game content is present. Of course, more ships would always be nice. That's what it's really about. Ask yourself when the last time you did anything in that Fedside content other than hitting SKIP so you could get to the missions that don't pay you in suck...missions that have since been reduced to sucking like the rest, really. Remember when Assimilated was worth doing, on both sides? Remember how it REMAINED worth doing briefly on the KDF side, before it, too, was rendered worthless? The lack of attention given to the KDF side can be a good thing.
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# 6
02-25-2013, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by doffingcomrade View Post
Well, what about the KDF is really half-finished, anyway? The only thing we're "missing" is levels 1 through 20 and the associated mindless mission content for crappy rewards no one actually would want. Is this something we need? Every other piece of end-game content is present. Of course, more ships would always be nice. That's what it's really about. Ask yourself when the last time you did anything in that Fedside content other than hitting SKIP so you could get to the missions that don't pay you in suck...missions that have since been reduced to sucking like the rest, really. Remember when Assimilated was worth doing, on both sides? Remember how it REMAINED worth doing briefly on the KDF side, before it, too, was rendered worthless? The lack of attention given to the KDF side can be a good thing.
Off the top of my head, it's the lvls 1-20 thing (and I doubt Cryptic would allow brand new players to just go straight for a lvl 25 KDF toon without 'unlocking' it first), some more ships to pick from at endgame (including a dedicated science vessel or two at endgame, something other than a carrier or BoP), and maybe have some of the universal/dual-faction content be KDF-perspective for once. Everything's written from the perspective of the Federation, with a paltry KDF wrapper thrown on for KDF players.

I wouldn't mind another storyline arc, to be honest, something written from the KDF perspective (like the Fek'lhri one). If they widen the faction back out to 1-50, we'll need 1-2 more anyways.

Cosmetically, we could use more costuming options. I personally don't care all that much, but others do. Insufficient flexibility in costuming has been a grievance for a long time.

We're definitely 'close' to completion. I wouldn't say the faction's half-finished, more like 80% complete. I feel the biggest reasons why we don't have as much playerbase as the Federation are: No option to play as KDF right from the start, and the red UI. The UI is a definite problem, it drives players away because they can't stand to look at the red UI for more than 1-2 hours at a time. Change the UI to a more pleasing color, or add another color scheme to pick from.
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# 7
02-25-2013, 01:49 AM
Lets say the klingon faction get the ability to start at level 1 with 20 starter missions
15 new costumes
4 tier 1 and 2 ships

whatever else is missing so that faction is complete


Then all the bribes now in place to play klingon can be shared to the Fed faction , i play a klingon as well

more power to weapons
increased turn rate to cruisers
Dual heavy cannons
Doff missions with super payoffs
universal Boff layouts on selected escorts with a reduced hull
Consoles ( shared ) or equaled in power to plasmonic leach and aceton assimilator

So the factions are equal in power
Jellico....Engineer.....Stargazer KDF Tac
Saphire.. Science.....Ko'el Rom Kdf Tac
Leva........Tactical.....Mailu KDF Sci

JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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# 8
02-25-2013, 01:54 AM
I feel for the KDF, I really do. Having said that, I have no desire to play that faction, but I do support them being truly finished before a new faction is added.

A Romulan faction only mildly interests me either, the main draw there would be playable Hirogen.

Maybe in three more years I'll get my Cardassian faction.
Ensign
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# 9
02-25-2013, 02:33 AM
I search everywhere but i couldnt find some info from devs about this theme/topic!
So, will we be able to take another race or not in close future?
Any clue?
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# 10
02-25-2013, 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by travelingmaster View Post
Off the top of my head, it's the lvls 1-20 thing (and I doubt Cryptic would allow brand new players to just go straight for a lvl 25 KDF toon without 'unlocking' it first)
And that's what's holding back popularity. Not "uncompleteness", but Cryptic's unwillingness to simply allow people to dive in. I have found that across all games, a LOT of people get very invested in their first character, even when it's a really awful one. By enforcing that the first character be a Fed character, you've essentially pushed most everyone's first loyalties to the Fed side.

The 1-20 thing? Meh. Who needs those levels anyway? I hate tutorials. You want your hand held, you go play Fed.

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Originally Posted by travelingmaster View Post
Everything's written from the perspective of the Federation, with a paltry KDF wrapper thrown on for KDF players.
Disagree. If anything, things are written from the perspective of the Klingons, with a paltry Fed wrapper thrown on top: Otherwise, why do we keep BLOWING EVERYTHING UP? In the course of one mission, you're going to destroy more ships and kill more people than any of the on-screen captains did in their entire careers. The wanton destruction and violence makes far more sense as a Klingon than as a Fed.

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Originally Posted by travelingmaster View Post
I wouldn't mind another storyline arc, to be honest, something written from the KDF perspective (like the Fek'lhri one). If they widen the faction back out to 1-50, we'll need 1-2 more anyways.
The Fek'lhri arc was easily one of both the best and the worst-written episodes. On one hand, it was distinctly Klingon in tone and perspective...but on the other hand, it was distinctly KLINGON in tone and perspective, less so KDF, which now consists of a large number of decidedly non-Klingons. If you were playing as a Klingon with a crew of Klingons, it was great...if you weren't, it was painful. Unlike the Federation, where Fedlings share a generally bland perspective on everything with only a few exceptions, the KDF is clearly non-homogenous, and to be a good *KDF* story as opposed to simply a *KLINGON* story, it needs to reflect that.
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