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# 41
02-25-2013, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
To me only T5/Fleet Ships matter because a Miranda is a non-entity at end game because nobody is going to fly one of those,
ooooh. Not a good choice the Miranda. See, the Miranda is a ship people fly from levels 1 to 10.

The KDF don't even exist at those levels.

You're pouring salt on an open wound.
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# 42
02-25-2013, 09:34 PM
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I agree. The real worry seems to be coming from feds (like on the next page) that worry a complete KDF would ruin thier ability to farm KDF toons for Dil and EC to feed thier fed toons.
Believe me, I'm not happy about the KDF having become an alt farmer faction. Its a bizarre action that should never have been necessary at all. But that's neither the real KDF player's, nor the KDF farmer's fault. Cryptic made the bribes to get people to play KDF, which did happen.... how much worse would it be if there were no KDF farmer toons to prop up the KDF population numbers? We keep hearing 16%, without the farmers what would that number be?

Imagine being an STO dev trying to justify to the money guys any more expenditure of limited resources on KDF content. Now imagine how much harder that would be without the KDF farmer toons propping up the population numbers?

Besides that, I don't feel bad at all about wanting to keep my easy Dil and EC from KDF farming alts!
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# 43
02-25-2013, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
ooooh. Not a good choice the Miranda. See, the Miranda is a ship people fly from levels 1 to 10.

The KDF don't even exist at those levels.

You're pouring salt on an open wound.
Why are you complaining about transitional ships? does it matter you start at lv1? KDF used to start at lv1 and then you had to XP your way to lv50 ...

Sure KDF starts at 30 skipping a lot of levels but considering how those levels dont matter its as much of a issue as the Miranda being a entity, you have it for 2 days or something and then you grow over it.
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# 44
02-25-2013, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by skyranger1414 View Post
That's purely wishful thinking, the KDF (and any hypothetical Romulan factions) will never be as popular as the Federation
Never said they would be. Just that they'd be considerably more popular than they are now.
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# 45
02-26-2013, 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by misterde3 View Post
This isn't a TV show, this is a computer game.
And if you look at the histoy of Star Trek computer games, you'll find several that didn't even struggle when it came to providing a well-rounded pool of ships or storytelling beyond the Federation.
In fact there are even some that don't actually focus on the Federation at all.
And most of those were restricted in terms of the canon material they were allowed to use.
"Klingon Academy" was restricted to the Original Series and the first 6 movies.
"Star Trek: Klingon" was entirly restricted to the TNG and DS9 material for legal reasons.
Yet they provided compelling and immersive story.
They were also restricted to either space (Klingon Academy) or ground (Klingon Honor Guard), this game can easily do both.
So that the shows or movies were mostly about the Federation is nothing more than an incredibly lame and transparent excuse when it comes to this game.
TOS: Kirk, and crew. StarFleet. Including theatrical releases.

TNG: Picard, and crew. StarFleet. Also including movies.

DS9: Sisko, and crew. StarFleet.

STV: Janeway, and crew. StarFleet.

STE: Archer, and crew. StarFleet.

Doesn't seem to be any focus on either empire, or it's captains, except as supporting roles/characters. It's Star Trek, after all. Not Glory of the Klingon Empire, or Sins of the Romulan Star Empire. Just sayin' ...

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# 46
02-26-2013, 04:20 AM
Erm, whats the problem if a half-finished faction? The first 50 levels don't matter. I wish I started at 20 and could doff at 22 then rush into the end with just that. The missions themselves have variable quality, if anything, asking Cryptic to make more missions is to give them more chances to fail...

(Granted I'd have to admit they make KDF missions better because they're good at pewpew...)

Ship variety is pointless when half of them are just shiny trinkets, and only the 6 endgame escorts actually matter.

As for advantages the KDF have... Faster leveling is one. Cloaking is pointless in this game so I'll leave that argument out. BoPs... well YMMV, I both love and hate them. But you've got way better hybrid ships and now we know that the elite fleet disruptors have the better proc.

I think KDF is good as they are. Just allow players to start as a KDF toon, have them level immediately to 21 the moment they finish the tour around Qoonos and I'd say the KDF are good.
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# 47
02-26-2013, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by merryprankster2 View Post
TOS: Kirk, and crew. StarFleet. Including theatrical releases.

TNG: Picard, and crew. StarFleet. Also including movies.

DS9: Sisko, and crew. StarFleet.

STV: Janeway, and crew. StarFleet.

STE: Archer, and crew. StarFleet.

Doesn't seem to be any focus on either empire or it's captains, except as supporting roles/characters. It's Star Trek, after all. Not Glory of the Klingon Empire, or Sins of the Romulan Star Empire. Just sayin...
Just because there hasn't been any movies or television series focused on Klingons, Cardassians, or Romulans doesn't mean that none of these groups have a fanbase. Also if they were to do a movie or TV series based on these factions they would be just as entertaining as those focused on Starfleet, maybe more so. For every guy who wants to play Batman there's a guy who wants to play as the Joker.
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# 48
02-26-2013, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by merryprankster2 View Post
Doesn't seem to be any focus on either empire, or it's captains, except as supporting roles/characters. It's Star Trek, after all. Not Glory of the Klingon Empire, or Sins of the Romulan Star Empire. Just sayin...
Ye gods, that made my morning. I hadn't thought of that game in ages.
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# 49
02-26-2013, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by magnumstar View Post
Just because there hasn't been any movies or television series focused on Klingons, Cardassians, or Romulans doesn't mean that none of these groups have a fanbase. Also if they were to do a movie or TV series based on these factions they would be just as entertaining as those focused on Starfleet, maybe more so. For every guy who wants to play Batman there's a guy who wants to play as the Joker.
And some want to play as the Riddler. Point is, however, that Batman, is the star of the franchise. The majority of people go to a Batman movie, to see Batman, beat up the Joker. Take Star Wars for instance. People want to be Jedis, Sith, Bounty hunters, or Smugglers. Stormtroopers are kind of a niche market. Not as big a sell, see what I'm sayin' ? Star Trek is the same way, which is why the focus on content, is geared toward StarFleet. Let's face it, Cryptic has a hard enough time with Fed content, which is what the majority playerbase is made up of, that if they had to keep up with content for two other factions, theoretically, they'd have to triple the size of the company.

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# 50
02-26-2013, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by merryprankster2 View Post
TOS: Kirk, and crew. StarFleet. Including theatrical releases.

TNG: Picard, and crew. StarFleet. Also including movies.

DS9: Sisko, and crew. StarFleet.

STV: Janeway, and crew. StarFleet.

STE: Archer, and crew. StarFleet.

Doesn't seem to be any focus on either empire, or it's captains, except as supporting roles/characters. It's Star Trek, after all. Not Glory of the Klingon Empire, or Sins of the Romulan Star Empire. Just sayin' ...
Have you actually read my post?

Oh, BTW if you want things to be like in the shows we should only be allowed to play human characters.
Because that's what all those commanding officers you listed are.
That what the focus of the shows was on.
That was also the tagline of the first movie: "The human adventure is just beginning".
So logically we should delete or convert all the non-human characters so things are more like in the shows.

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