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# 11
02-28-2013, 11:30 PM
While a fan of the Connie I have to say no. For the illogic of after a century of decomission she suddenly shows up again? No. The Excel should be where the connie is and the connie a Zen only ship.

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Captain
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# 12
03-01-2013, 04:13 AM
There is no reason for there not to be a fleet constitution refit retrofit. The defiant, Nova, and Jem bug are all smaller ships which have fleet stats, the connie can get them too.
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The rule needs to change.
Captain
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# 13
03-01-2013, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by captainbmoney View Post
I want the Tier2 one for Endgame. Blame This Guy.
Thanks for posting this. I have begun my series of messages.

Oh, and my messages to CBS went completely ignored. So saying it's the only place worth petitioning is not true. We need to put pressure on both companies. Cryptic and PWE's words cannot be ignored as easily as ours can.
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The rule needs to change.
Captain
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# 14
03-01-2013, 05:59 AM
The Constitution is pushing two hundred years old. Expecting it to perform as well, or better, than modern designs is completely ridiculous
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# 15
03-01-2013, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
The Constitution is pushing two hundred years old. Expecting it to perform as well, or better, than modern designs is completely ridiculous
Not with STO technology, or did you miss the older vulcan and klingon ships at tier 5?
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The rule needs to change.
Captain
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# 16
03-01-2013, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dalnar83 View Post
Fleet Consitition...I hope it does not happen, because in the twist logic of Cryptic, it would end up as better ship than Galaxy.

However I could imagine a Fleet Exeter, but something more like destroyer, then a Cruiser.
It wouldn't surprise me if Mr. Rivera would create an Constitution with higher Tactical BOFF and more Tactical Consoles than a Galaxy, capable of using DCs and DHCs, lol.

Believe it or not i could imagine a ship similar to the Exeter as a Destroyer, but the Constitution and it's variants look too fragile for heavy combat IMO.
However if it would get shorter and more sturdy Pylons and Neck i could see it as a T5 light destroyer.
If Cryptic (Mr. Rivera) makes it a Fleet ship i would deny Cryptic any competence regarding Star trek.

EDIT:
Since the same people who say "NO" to a useful Galaxy Class in STO are here and say "YES!" to a T5 Constitution, i am afraid i have to recall my previous statement, just because i don't like the Constitution.

Seriously a 260 year old ship as a T5 ship in this game, would be the final kick into complete madness.




-> -> -> STO players unite and say NO to ARC <- <- <-

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# 17
03-01-2013, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
The Constitution is pushing two hundred years old. Expecting it to perform as well, or better, than modern designs is completely ridiculous
Yes...because you can't build/use the same design with up to date hull materials, power systems, and weapons that would be in line with the current ships of the line...

/sarcasm
Captain
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# 18
03-01-2013, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dashuk2381 View Post
Yes...because you can't build/use the same design with up to date hull materials, power systems, and weapons that would be in line with the current ships of the line...

/sarcasm
Go ahead and build an 18th century first rate using 21st century materials, weapons and propulsion. See what happens.

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Not with STO technology, or did you miss the older vulcan and klingon ships at tier 5?
Try and quote me saying that older ships should outperform newer ships. You can't, because I never have. A T5/Fleet Connie makes as much (IE: zero) logical sense as a T5/Fleet D7/K'Tinga, a T5/Fleet Excelsior, Ambassador or any other ship that has, in reality, long since been obsoleted by newer design concepts and technology.

What you're arguing for is effectively the same thing as asking for a WWI era Biplane with a jet engine, built from modern composites and carrying state of the art weapons to function as a stand in for say a Super-Hornet, Raptor or Lightning. It's a completely and utterly ridiculous notion.
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# 19
03-01-2013, 07:11 AM
My fleet does Tier 1 PvP. Bring your Miranda, NX replica, Connie or Oberth into a private PvP match fully loaded with endgame gear. Pewpew, kaboom. Watch out for the transphasics and plasma though, even if your shields are Mk XII MACO your hull is still the same.
Captain
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# 20
03-01-2013, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
Go ahead and build an 18th century first rate using 21st century materials, weapons and propulsion. See what happens.



Try and quote me saying that older ships should outperform newer ships. You can't, because I never have. A T5/Fleet Connie makes as much (IE: zero) logical sense as a T5/Fleet D7/K'Tinga, a T5/Fleet Excelsior, Ambassador or any other ship that has, in reality, long since been obsoleted by newer design concepts and technology.

What you're arguing for is effectively the same thing as asking for a WWI era Biplane with a jet engine, built from modern composites and carrying state of the art weapons to function as a stand in for say a Super-Hornet, Raptor or Lightning. It's a completely and utterly ridiculous notion.
Perhaps you are missing the complete and utterly ridiculous nature of sci fi. STO technology has moved on from the constraints facing today's technology. Making comparisons isn't going to help because things are different in star trek. A frame has no effect on anything relevant to STO, you can check the size of Bugs, defiants, and Nova class vessels for it if you need a modern comparison of what is needed for the process of upgrading.
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The rule needs to change.
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