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# 11
03-02-2013, 10:39 PM
I have done a bit of KDF whining on the Forums myself - but it seems that this is the only place it happens.

Being part of a 400 person KDF fleet - yes 400 active people(500 toons total) - I never hear in chat people whining on about the problems the KDF faces. There are at least 30 people on at all times - all the talk in chat is about what to do next - groups - playing, pvp, builds, gear - etc

I think a 400 KDF player fleet is a pretty big cross-section of the KDF playerbase - and not to hear a whisper of complaint I just wonder some days if it's just a handful of KDF players jumping up and down.
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# 12
03-02-2013, 10:47 PM
I don't think either that will happen.If May will get new content, changing the dilithium missions will hit the federation captains that are using their kdf char's just for farming.
As usually where is new content there are also new bugs ,it would be in my opinion, unwise to make federation player base mad about dilithium too in the same time.
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# 13
03-03-2013, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ztempest View Post
I understand where you are coming from...but to be honest, this perspective sort of offends me.

The KDF is NOT JUST a farming faction for dilithium.

To be blunt -- I would rather have a playable faction, with content, vessels, and gameplay comparable to the Federation, than to be a second-rate faction primarily used by Federation captains on alts to farm dilithium that goes straight to the exchange in return for Zen.

So...if the faction really is completed, complete with a full stable of fleet ships, content, and missions, and the price is the removal or reduction of our enhanced ability to farm dilithium..to me that is a fair trade.
Speak for yourself, I would hate to see my KDF farmer alts go to waste! Only one was at max level before Dil farming.

I have already voiced similar concerns as the OP, but from a federation player with kdf farmer alts point of view. I agree that the real driving factor would be to remove dil farming by the greater fed population via kdf alts than any true desire to finish the KDF. Of course, the removal of Dil farming may be, pardoxically, the death knell of the KDF as people abandon or outright delete their KDF alts.

It would be a sad day indeed! But no worries, I'm sure a new shiny lockbox will promptly follow to make the masses forget!
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# 14
03-03-2013, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by oldkhemaraa View Post
ok, first off its only marginally easier to farm Dilithium KDF side. We have a few more way we can get it. No r which faction you are in there is only so much dilithium you can refine per day.
Wut? No.

With just TWO KDF farmer alts you can get enough DIl to cap themselves and three (sometimes two) federation characters. it IS a hassle but it can be done in teh fraction of the time it'd take to the same with just regular grinding.
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# 15
03-03-2013, 01:22 AM
I admit to using my Klingon alts primarily for farming.

The KDF ships have always been better than their federation counterparts for survivability and dps. I am speaking of Klingon ships, not lockbox options. So for grinding, they rock.

Playing a Klingon has intrigued me at the beginning, especially when I saw the capabilities of their ships. Battle cloak? Hell yes! The few 'original' content episodes were interesting, but I quickly bored of the fantasy elements.

Group missions are harder to organize; epohh tagging as a Klingon anyone?

I joined a Klingon fleet, but it's been little more than a personal vanity project for the fleets owners. Access to resources is limited at best. I'll donate the odd crew member or asset. Any fleet marks I build I donate. Dilithium however is destined for my very active federation fleet.

I am not alone in this. I regularly play with others who do the exact same thing, and feel the same way.

PvP isn't for me even for Feds. So the thought of investing time into a Klingon PvP toon is not in the cards. The Foundary gave me hope for Klingon content, and some missions raised my hopes to make the KDF something I would want to play. New ships are cool (I buy Fed ships routinely), but nothing about the KDF ships screams 'I must buy this'.

edit: I did buy the Guramba Siege Destroyer after I saw it's effectiveness in the STF's. The T5 variants look awesome, but not enough to support developing a fleet where I 'might' get access to buy it. Yes, I can change fleets, but at this stage why bother?

Don't get me wrong - KDF has been worth playing. Seeing the other side of the equation has been fun. But there's really nothing that makes me want to use it for anything more than a source of dilithium.

Now if STO adds a romulan faction, that's something I'd pay to play.

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# 16
03-03-2013, 01:44 AM
Klingon alts do make the best farmers , Of that there is no doubt
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# 17
03-03-2013, 03:05 AM
all of this really, REALLY makes me hope the OP is right-on-the-money as far as Cryptic's intent. It really, really does.

Because the tears of frustrated rage from all the Feds feeding their Fed Fleets with Dilithium farmed on KDF alts would be quite a treat.
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# 18
03-03-2013, 04:58 AM
Yeah I would LOVE them to nerf the dil grinding aspect of the KDF so it is in line with what the Federation can earn on their side, which they will likely do if they add KDF content (stop snickering at the back there, I heard you )

That said a game where one faction is blatantly a farm feeding main toons in another faction shows without a doubt how broken and mis used the KDF is and the devs should be able to see that.
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# 19
03-03-2013, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by born2bwild1 View Post
I have done a bit of KDF whining on the Forums myself - but it seems that this is the only place it happens.

Being part of a 400 person KDF fleet - yes 400 active people(500 toons total) - I never hear in chat people whining on about the problems the KDF faces. There are at least 30 people on at all times - all the talk in chat is about what to do next - groups - playing, pvp, builds, gear - etc

I think a 400 KDF player fleet is a pretty big cross-section of the KDF playerbase - and not to hear a whisper of complaint I just wonder some days if it's just a handful of KDF players jumping up and down.
When you guys talk about builds do you talk about getting any new things? New ships? With new layouts? When there are no options for doing that, does anyone ever seem miffed? Like that they can't get a new escort/raptor/raider/anything with 5 tactical consoles?

Back when the Fed Doomsday mission was revamped, did anyone in your fleet complain that the Klingons couldn't get the item? That the fed only mission had the best Klingon storyline in ages and really good Klingon Opera?

Any storyline focused players in your 400 active fleetmates? Of those storyline focused players, did any of them ever mention that the anniversarry mission made little to no sense from a Klingon Perspective?

I find it hard to believe that 400 active Klingon players in a fleet have never mentioned any problems at all ever.
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# 20 Ban The AFK Farmers, Phak Em
03-03-2013, 08:18 AM
So less AFK KDF?

How can that be bad?

PhaK the afk Dilithium Farmers, I'd ban them if it were my choice. KDF is inactive enough with out more AFK farmers.

Not like there are a ton of us to start with, our numbers are only dwindling more with each new Fed Perk.

If you don't know, check the link in my Sig. The True Story of Craptic n the KDF right there.

"...just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that." - Dan Stahl

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