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# 61
03-01-2013, 07:08 AM
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Really? How many times does this have to be said? Ship artists do not fix bugs. Ship artists do not write stories. Ship artists makes ships. Only ships.
Since when did the word "developer" only apply to ship artists? We all know the word "developer" is used to encompass all those who working on a game at a development studio, from the Exec right down to the programers.

In this instance he is correct; as a whole the development team is pumping out ships rather than bug fixes.
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# 62
03-01-2013, 07:35 AM
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Wow had its problems but at least it never begged for my money to get the latest items etc... I only ever bought the Celestial Steed for my own vanity and because I choose to. The problem is, if you put no money into this game, you are looking at one long, boring and frustrating grind.
Well yes, but every time they come out with a new expansion they want you to pay another $80-$100 for it, I've never subbed to a game that made me pay for new content in that manner and nor would I. I've still never played anything as grindy as the original KR A#on.
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# 63
03-01-2013, 07:45 AM
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Well yes, but every time they come out with a new expansion they want you to pay another $80-$100 for it, I've never subbed to a game that made me pay for new content in that manner and nor would I. I've still never played anything as grindy as the original KR A#on.
At least with an expansion, you get sizable, meaty content rather then the patches we get on here? I would be happy paying for an expansion if it actually provided good content and actually fixed a lot of the bugs that are in the game already.

I just think all Cryptic are worried about is their paycheck, they really couldn't care about the problems that already exist in game. A lot of the recent "stealth nerfs" and Fleet Mark reductions were done to try and make the game content last until May... there simply is not enough of it at the moment and people are starting to realize that Cryptic are somewhat full of it with their promises.

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# 64
03-01-2013, 07:58 AM
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At least with an expansion, you get sizable, meaty content rather then the patches we get on here? I would be happy paying for an expansion if it actually provided good content and actually fixed a lot of the bugs that are in the game already.

I just think all Cryptic are worried about is their paycheck, they really couldn't care about the problems that already exist in game. A lot of the recent "stealth nerfs" and Fleet Mark reductions were done to try and make the game content last until May... there simply is not enough of it at the moment and people are starting to realize that Cryptic are somewhat full of it with their promises.
Yeah 'content' is definitely the operative word here when it comes to STO 'patches'. I think if it isn't affecting their bottom dollar they have no reason to go back and fix it. Now, if there is a problem with the C-Store or buying ZEN then I'm sure we'd see an army working to repair that issue post-haste....
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# 65
03-01-2013, 08:08 AM
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Yeah 'content' is definitely the operative word here when it comes to STO 'patches'. I think if it isn't affecting their bottom dollar they have no reason to go back and fix it. Now, if there is a problem with the C-Store or buying ZEN then I'm sure we'd see an army working to repair that issue post-haste....
I'd actually quite like to see that because I assure you, you are probably right. The Store or Dilithium Exchange would be fixed within minutes.
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# 66
03-01-2013, 09:38 AM
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Since when did the word "developer" only apply to ship artists? We all know the word "developer" is used to encompass all those who working on a game at a development studio, from the Exec right down to the programers.

In this instance he is correct; as a whole the development team is pumping out ships rather than bug fixes.
Can you prove this?

Can you prove that it's not a ship artist and a single programmer working on these ships and that it is the entire development team?

Otherwise your statement is a load of hyperbole.
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# 67
03-02-2013, 06:16 PM
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Am I the only person who thinks, if you do not have the resources to make a game with content to rival WoW or EvE that you should just not bother until you do?
Yes, you are; because no game in history except WoW has spent as much money as WoW has spent. No game in history except WoW has taken in as much income as WoW has. A company would have to be INSANE to spend that much money up front on a game, since it would almost certainly be a complete loss.

WoW takes in more income in a year than Cryptic has spent on initial development of all their games combined. They take in as much income in a year as BioWare spent in five years of developing Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Do you honestly think the entire industry should just stop making games? Because that's what you're suggesting.
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# 68
03-02-2013, 06:25 PM
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Escorts would return to the way they were as "glass canons" or the "mages of STO"
come again? escorts in this game are comparable to rogues, not mages
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# 69
03-02-2013, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by warbird001 View Post
At least with an expansion, you get sizable, meaty content rather then the patches we get on here? I would be happy paying for an expansion if it actually provided good content and actually fixed a lot of the bugs that are in the game already.

I just think all Cryptic are worried about is their paycheck, they really couldn't care about the problems that already exist in game. A lot of the recent "stealth nerfs" and Fleet Mark reductions were done to try and make the game content last until May... there simply is not enough of it at the moment and people are starting to realize that Cryptic are somewhat full of it with their promises.
Warbird, i agree with your position as i would certainly pay for expansion, IF it was worth it but much of what Cryptic claims will be the biggest update they have had turns out to be a real dud, along with more bugs, instead of addressing the bugs.

I dont certain have a problem with the profit side that Cryptic has adopted and that is how the game and developers are going to get paid. Iam surprised they haven't exploited the paying areas more than they have. But, at the same time the game in size of scope is small and that is where it lies when it comes to having those ppl that will pay.

I do share your disgust when it comes to Cryptic and what they have done or explaining their premises when it comes to what they have done. They have full time, which they should be to address issues of importance while expanding the game and bring more and better content. But, where another area they fail is that they don't exploit the foundry authors.
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# 70
03-02-2013, 11:46 PM
As someone who has been playing completely free to play for about 2 months now I'm pretty dang happy with Cryptic's model. I've tried other F2P games and they are extremely restrictive. I've been cashing in Dilithium for Zen and I'm about to be able to afford my first store bought ship, and that feels great. I can hold my own in the STFs with my crummy F2P ships, but I wouldn't dare try the elites yet. Leveling up I often got 1st -3rd place in missions like Gorn Minefield on my F2P ships.

That being said, reading through people's posts about ships, and looking at what's available, there's absolutely no question about what I'm going to buy. Since I can't afford to buy ships very often, it absolutely has to be the best for my money, and the only real choice is an escort ship. I originally wanted to get a science vessel, because that's the style of play I prefer, but they seem vastly inferior to the escort models.

It's not a problem for me that in order to stay competitive in the end-game PvE and PvP content you absolutely have to get a store bought ship, as this F2P model makes it extremely easy to acquire currency - but it seems a little silly that there's no real choice about what kind of ship to get if you want to be competitive.

It's also a little odd that in end-game content the two opposing factions are more often than not using the same ships.

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