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# 21
03-03-2013, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
When you guys talk about builds do you talk about getting any new things? New ships? With new layouts? When there are no options for doing that, does anyone ever seem miffed? Like that they can't get a new escort/raptor/raider/anything with 5 tactical consoles?

Back when the Fed Doomsday mission was revamped, did anyone in your fleet complain that the Klingons couldn't get the item? That the fed only mission had the best Klingon storyline in ages and really good Klingon Opera?

Any storyline focused players in your 400 active fleetmates? Of those storyline focused players, did any of them ever mention that the anniversarry mission made little to no sense from a Klingon Perspective?

I find it hard to believe that 400 active Klingon players in a fleet have never mentioned any problems at all ever.
House of Beautiful Orions is one of the biggest - if not the biggest - and most active KDF fleet in STO - there are things mentioned sometimes - but very very rarely. If someone visits the forums you'd think the KDF is being oppressed and dragged through the gutter - but I just don't see that from the fleet members. And yes it is over 400 active people - we have to keep cutting players over 60 days inactive as we keep hitting the 500 cap.

We have a T5 starbase - T5 Eng - which allows Elite fleet weapons and are 40 days from T5 shipyard - and really all the talk is about things we can do/get - not things that we can't get or don't have.

Point is - the game is what YOU make it.

Last edited by born2bwild1; 03-03-2013 at 09:07 AM.
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# 22
03-03-2013, 02:52 PM
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Point is - the game is what YOU make it.
The reality is the game is what Cryptic make it. If they make badly enough bad things will happen.
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# 23
03-03-2013, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by born2bwild1 View Post
House of Beautiful Orions is one of the biggest - if not the biggest - and most active KDF fleet in STO - there are things mentioned sometimes - but very very rarely. If someone visits the forums you'd think the KDF is being oppressed and dragged through the gutter - but I just don't see that from the fleet members. And yes it is over 400 active people - we have to keep cutting players over 60 days inactive as we keep hitting the 500 cap.

We have a T5 starbase - T5 Eng - which allows Elite fleet weapons and are 40 days from T5 shipyard - and really all the talk is about things we can do/get - not things that we can't get or don't have.

Point is - the game is what YOU make it.
I'd say there's good reason why the forums demonstrate more of the 'complaining' mindset than in-game chats.

For one thing, what's posted on the forum can STAY on the forum and be easily accessed by anyone interested in reading. It's the main venue in which players can voice dissatisfaction. There's little point doing it in private fleet chats, because the developers rarely frequent those (I've personally seen 3 visits by developers in the RedditAlert chat, which is an open chat). In a fleet chat, I'd expect players to mention 'wish-list' type things, like wanting 5-tac console ships, better storylines, new ideas for storyline, etc. Not so much 'complaining' as much as 'collaborating'.

Most KDF players are well-aware that the KDF has been left behind development-wise. However, there's an awful lot of Federation players that seem oblivious to that, and also demand that KDF perks/features be added to the Federation. They may or may not read the forums. By continuously posting about the mistreatment of the KDF on the forums, we're reminding folks that the KDF has been left behind, and is continuing to be left behind.
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# 24
03-03-2013, 06:31 PM
Travelingmaster has hit the nail on the head I think.

I seriously doubt that there is an entire 500-strong KDF fleet out there that is completely and totally oblivious to the issues that surround this faction -- especially in comparison to the Federation fleet...and if statistics hold true, there may be a significant number of fleet members on at a time, but if they are 500-strong, 30 members is less than 10% of the membership....which tells me that a solid chunk of said members are likely KDF alts for Federation captains who just want to "live on the wild side" for a few hours a week...

Not to disparage this fleet -- shoot, I just did a PUG with a member of this fleet in it, and the player did quite well.
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# 25
03-03-2013, 09:25 PM
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Travelingmaster has hit the nail on the head I think.

I seriously doubt that there is an entire 500-strong KDF fleet out there that is completely and totally oblivious to the issues that surround this faction -- especially in comparison to the Federation fleet...and if statistics hold true, there may be a significant number of fleet members on at a time, but if they are 500-strong, 30 members is less than 10% of the membership....which tells me that a solid chunk of said members are likely KDF alts for Federation captains who just want to "live on the wild side" for a few hours a week...

Not to disparage this fleet -- shoot, I just did a PUG with a member of this fleet in it, and the player did quite well.
I gave 30 as an avg - it varies from 15 at night to as high as 200 I have seen it on a fleet event day. Sure there are feds with alts - so what - you know if every Fed had a KDF toon as well, the faction would get a LOT more attention. That's a Big problem with this game - too much I will play Fed or KDF only. House of Beautiful Orions is the best fleet I have been in - both Fed side and KDF side. Nice leadership and nice people.

In 7 days our base upgrades to T5 - it will be interesting to see how many log on.

The point was that yes - complaining in fleet chat would be pointless as we are all well aware of the problems with the KDF - but - the same goes for making threads about it here in KDF gameplay - how many Fed only players look at these threads - bet you could count it on your 2 hands - TOPS

Worse - how many Devs read these threads?? I can't remember the last time a Dev has posted in this section.

I am starting to become more like Roach(bitmepwe) in that complaining in the forums has done nothing for 3 years - why get overly aggravated.

I keep my expectations at zero - that and counting down the days till Fleet B'rel time!!
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# 26
03-03-2013, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by born2bwild1 View Post
House of Beautiful Orions is one of the biggest - if not the biggest - and most active KDF fleet in STO - there are things mentioned sometimes - but very very rarely. If someone visits the forums you'd think the KDF is being oppressed and dragged through the gutter - but I just don't see that from the fleet members. And yes it is over 400 active people - we have to keep cutting players over 60 days inactive as we keep hitting the 500 cap.

We have a T5 starbase - T5 Eng - which allows Elite fleet weapons and are 40 days from T5 shipyard - and really all the talk is about things we can do/get - not things that we can't get or don't have.

Point is - the game is what YOU make it.
Heh, I know that fleet. I left over a disagreement with the fleet owner when it was only at T4 with 250 actives.

I'll say this: they're good at recruiting and keeping committed players, part of that is that they're good at setting up events and keeping internal communication, and I'm honestly not surprised at the level of success.

and you're right, it's a large part attitude. Zelda's missives on how to set up for PvP on any of the player classes, in any of the available ships, are clear and easy to understand (and more importantly, easy to execute, and sent over in-game mail so that you don't have to go to an outside website and bounce between your game-screen and your browser to do the work...), they've got players who actively seek out and organize group runs at all hours, and they have multilingual capability (spanish, german, french, etc.) which helps a LOT in gaining some of the better Euro, Quebecois, and Asian players.

But you're not ENTIRELY correct in your assessment that everyone else is whining. Lina and a few of the fleet officers spend a LOT on this game-and that's a financial leg up compared to fleets who don't have members with that kind of time and money to spend on purchaseables like Dilithium for major projects. Most fleets don't HAVE a MiaLina to sugar-daddy their resources who can spend 15+ hours a day on-line and a couple hundered bucks a week to keep things going.
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."

Look into Vanilla PvP if you're tired of the endless pursuit of grind, utterly unbalanced selections of geardo-inspired traits, and generally unbalanced and careless 'development' made mostly to turn this game into a second job.
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