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# 31
03-03-2013, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by seekerkorhil View Post
Is it possible for a KDF thread to exist that doesn't eventually involve one or more members of the KDF calling every fed player a troll? Seems to me you guys stir up the most resentment between the factions.
I think you managed to miss the distinction between "These Federation players" (that's the term hawks used and later confirmed he meant) and "all Federation players" which I haven't seen in this thread.
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# 32
03-03-2013, 02:35 PM
I don't care about PVP ,and I don't really see why any resources should be spent on it for a small minority that plays it.

Of course, I would not mind PVE KDF content, even though I would be more excited over a Romulan faction and their PVE content.

Also, whining will not gain anybody any sympathy.
Logical, calm suggestions to improve a faction will. Whining, wont.
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# 33
03-03-2013, 03:44 PM
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I don't care about PVP ,and I don't really see why any resources should be spent on it for a small minority that plays it.

Of course, I would not mind PVE KDF content, even though I would be more excited over a Romulan faction and their PVE content.

Also, whining will not gain anybody any sympathy.
Logical, calm suggestions to improve a faction will. Whining, wont.
Hmm the other thing is the KDF players are a minority too, this is why more often than not Cryptic doesn't see any reason to waste resources on them, because they simply don't effect the bottom line enough.

Rather short sighted but then whose to know how long this game has left to run.

It would be a shame to see a Romulan faction come into being before the KDF were given the attention they need.

However Cryptic seem to jump from one half assed project to the next.
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# 34
03-03-2013, 03:50 PM
If there is more demand for the Romulans then the Klingons, it would be logical to make the product that is more in demand.
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# 35
03-03-2013, 03:54 PM
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If there is more demand for the Romulans then the Klingons, it would be logical to make the product that is more in demand.
For sure the current reality is Cryptic does things that reward them with a spike in short term profit.

This is why new shinnies and new faction is preferable to doing anything of major importance with the KDF.
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# 36
03-03-2013, 05:13 PM
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As we see in other threads there are people who think the KDF exists only to serve their Federation alts.

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=572711

In this particular case as a farming tool for dilithium and it should stay that way.
For the feds, the KDF being a farming faction is merely a happy coincidence, a side effect of the Devs inadvertently putting in "too good to pass up" bribes to get people to roll KDF alts. They knew what they were doing, and I bet the Fed farmer alts are helping to prop up the KDF pop numbers enough that Cryptic can at least try to keep the faction viable without it getting ignored.

Do you think it doesn't take resources to create the KDF-side of what little content gets released for them? I can almost guarantee that KDF content (yes, even the grind content we see these days) is considered a virtual writeoff as far as resources go.

For example, when a new cosmetic fleet proyect is released they need to make a Fed and a KDF one, assuming they cost roughly the same to make (they may not always, but over time they probably do) they will get a great return on the Fed one, but may just barely break even on the KDF one, even if that much. However, with Fed farmer alts flooding the KDF they can at least point to the increased population when PWE rightfully asks "why are you not getting a good return on X and Y expenditure of resources?" and "why are you bothering to keep the KDF current with the game changes if its so deserted?"
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# 37
03-03-2013, 05:29 PM
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That's just what trolls do. A lot of Feds seem to be more worried about losing their dil farm than anything else which would likely happen if the KDF had actual content and stuff to do apart from patrol and exploration missions and a couple of FEs.
So if they add more KDF PvE and story missions, they are deleting the Disable Vulcan/Bolian/Ferengi Freighter DOFF missions which provide a torrent of contraband?

How does that even make sense in a crazy Bond villain kind of thinking?

The reason these threads aren't taken seriously is because they are full of things that aren't worth being taken seriously.

Honestly, the KDF-specialist base on this forum (and let's not kid ourselves, pure KDF specialists might be 1% of the playerbase if we stretch imagination to it's absolute outer limits) does itself so much more harm than good, it's pretty embarrassing to watch.
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# 38
03-03-2013, 05:35 PM
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They dislike as well that precious Dev time could be taken from them, so they come trolling to the Forums to make Cryptic now who "rightfully" deserves their singleminded attention
Actually, unlike some of you, there are those who walk among us who are aware that people who have jobs in the real world aren't actually like a Borg cube where all the parts are interchangeable. Employed people have specialized roles within a company.

There are different people working on both factions. How anyone old enough to hold a job could not understand this is pretty hard to believe.
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# 39
03-03-2013, 05:39 PM
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So if they add more KDF PvE and story missions, they are deleting the Disable Vulcan/Bolian/Ferengi Freighter DOFF missions which provide a torrent of contraband?

How does that even make sense in a crazy Bond villain kind of thinking?
It makes sense if you try to think like Cryptic does... or at least as it has shown it does. In their minds, giving the KDF the generally accepted better consoles was part of their compensation for being an "incomplete faction". It probably extends to their Battle cruisers being leagues better (or at least more entertaining) than their fed counterparts. This compensation could also be called player bribes to get them to roll KDF alts.

I think its not a stretch at all to assume their contraband generating doff assignments are also part of this "compensation/bribes". Therefore if the KDF was "finished" or even announced as "finished" after getting a token addition it would be within reason to assume they would remove their "compensation/bribes". Especially since Cryptic knows how much they could cut Dil generation if they closed off the KDF farming alt system. They could even call it an "exploit" and try to take the moral high ground. Much like their failed PR attempt when they closed off the Foundry Dil wrapper instead of simply slowing it down.
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# 40
03-03-2013, 08:51 PM
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How does that even make sense in a crazy Bond villain kind of thinking?
In the language of Frustrated Fanboi it's practically a form of punctuation.
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