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# 21
03-06-2013, 06:15 PM
He's not actually very blunt. Seems to me like some people simply look for an excuse to be offended.

It's not really Geko's fault or responsibility that people either don't understand plain English, or choose not to understand it in order to create "drama."
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# 22
03-06-2013, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
You're crazy. Gozer will always be my favorite dev and Geko has a long way to go to reach the heights that Gozer achieved.

Gozer's biggest highlight for me was telling the players they were wrong about there being a content drought (during the time when DStahl commented on the content drought ... keep that in mind), by saying content was continually produced during that time period. The content he was referencing? Things like the Counselor Troi uniform and Section 31 uniform.

Hey! CONTENT!

Geko just doesn't like smelly min-maxxers and their ability to break systems by playing the game. Gozer, he actively trolled the players by telling them content creation included uniforms put on the cash store. Hah.

That's why he'll remain my favorite dev. Well that and the fact that he created barely playable, buggy "content" and some of the least enjoyable end-game scenarios of any MMO I've ever played. STFs were pretty wretched for a long, long time.
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/sarcasm ON
I Love his work regarding the Galaxy Class and his professional attitude when it comes to make this ship at least playable.

/sarcasm OFF
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# 23
03-06-2013, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by vengefuldjinn View Post
Have have to admit tho, I wasn't aware of any plan to nerf cannons.
There isn't a plan to nerf cannons.

What he said was a response to a question about power drain. He said beams are where he wants them to be. And that if players kept complaining about the gameplay, the option he'd pick is to increase the energy drain for cannons. He basically is saying if this continues to be an issue pushed by thread after thread, player after player, complaint after complaint ... beam arrays will stay as is, and cannons will be adjusted to drain more power.

There's no plan to do so.

But his solution to the way beam arrays stack up right now is to adjust power drain for cannons.

It's a four HOUR interview. He said quite a lot of other things too.
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# 24
03-06-2013, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
There isn't a plan to nerf cannons.

What he said was a response to a question about power drain. He said beams are where he wants them to be. And that if players kept complaining about the gameplay, the option he'd pick is to increase the energy drain for cannons. He basically is saying if this continues to be an issue pushed by thread after thread, player after player, complaint after complaint ... beam arrays will stay as is, and cannons will be adjusted to drain more power.

There's no plan to do so.

But his solution to the way beam arrays stack up right now is to adjust power drain for cannons.

It's a four HOUR interview. He said quite a lot of other things too.
So if people keep complaining about something completeley justified, other players who have almost nothing to do with it get a NERF?

Wow that what i call a good example of "Divide et impera". I think i should would write LOL now, but i think it's not funny at all.
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# 25
03-06-2013, 06:29 PM
If Cannons are nerfed, then his paycheck should also be nerfed an equal proportional amount.

Nerf whiners not Cannons.

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# 26
03-06-2013, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by born2bwild1 View Post
Ok seriously Roach? Look most KDF still use the Plasmonic leech, so Al's "nerf" to cannons - aka increasing their power drain - won't have as big an effect as you might think.

And Al is right about this one - why make beams stronger - cannons builds are gettting out of control powerful.

I am not a beam boat lover- the ships i use are:

Heavy Qin (cannons)
Heavy Bop (cannons)
B'rel(torp boat)
Fleet Patrol(cannons)
Fleet Defiant(cannons)
Breen(cannons)
Fleet Excel(beams/and sometimes tried cannons)
Fleet Nebula(beams)

Main point was that I like Al because he is not wishy washy - if he says he wants to do something he does it - even if it's not the most popluar thing - that's a trait I just happen to like.
Then you do not know where the issues lie with this change if it happens. Its got nothing to do with DHC power consumption or how much power the average KDF who happens to use a PL have on hand.
The issue lies in DPS versus Healing. Currently DHCs are the only thing that can put a dent in healing and resistances.
Remove that ability without adjusting healing levels and you end up with an imbalance in PvP.

Leave beams as they are and add extra drain to DHCs will not help Cruisers, Engineers or even science clear the DPS designed PvE content any better than they do now.

So you end up with further imbalance on PvP and PvE for non-escorts does not change at all.
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# 27
03-06-2013, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
Then you do not know where the issues lie with this change if it happens. Its got nothing to do with DHC power consumption or how much power the average KDF who happens to use a PL have on hand.
The issue lies in DPS versus Healing. Currently DHCs are the only thing that can put a dent in healing and resistances.
Remove that ability without adjusting healing levels and you end up with an imbalance in PvP.

Leave beams as they are and add extra drain to DHCs will not help Cruisers, Engineers or even science clear the DPS designed PvE content any better than they do now.

So you end up with further imbalance on PvP and PvE for non-escorts does not change at all.
Agreed. Even though the radius sucks, I still use one DHC on my Galaxy-X for that extra punch (I have a really weird build..). And even with all guns to maximum, it takes a Subnucleonic Beam to remove the healing powers before I can kill anything. All weapons need to be able to overcome healing powers, and all healing powers need to be able to overcome all weapons. I know that sounds like an oxymoron, but disables, roots and holds need to be just as viable as dee pee ess, and that's where the balancing act would come in.

So it's not Cannons that need a nerf, it's Science Skills that need a boost.
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# 28
03-06-2013, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by yreodred View Post
So if people keep complaining about something completeley justified, other players who have almost nothing to do with it get a NERF?

Wow that what i call a good example of "Divide et impera". I think i should would write LOL now, but i think it's not funny at all.
I don't think he really wants to nerf cannons. I think he just wants to not talk about beam arrays (or cruisers) in interviews?

That's how I took his commentary. Granted, I'm still not a huge fan of his work on things like the Nebula or the overall direction ship slot/layout/evolution went so, I'm ok with him taking some heat for the interview.

But it was a four hour interview. I can barely listen to Bill Simmons for more than 45 minutes at a time on a podcast. And Simmons is entertaining as heck and wrote one of my favorite books of all-time.
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# 29
03-06-2013, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by thlaylierah View Post
If Cannons are nerfed, then his paycheck should also be nerfed an equal proportional amount.

Nerf whiners not Cannons.
So if I make them better, can I get a raise?


There is no plan to Nerf Cannons. NONE!

The question I was asked was basically "my beams are not as good as cannons, can you make them better".

My feeling is that beams are fine. They are WAD and don't need to be made better. The outlier are the cannons, and, in a perfect world (see what I did there), I would bring cannon power drain in line with beams instead of making beams more powerful. The analogy I was suggesting is that if everything good, and one thing is OP, its healthier for the game to bring the OP item down in line with all the other items instead of raising all items to the level of the one OP item.

My comment was suggesting the question should evaluate what the real problem is.

I meant no subtext to suggest if enough players complained, there would be justification to nerf cannons.

Again, we have no plans to nerf cannons in any way. I cant make it any more clear than that.
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# 30
03-06-2013, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by crypticgeko View Post
My feeling is that beams are fine. They are WAD and don't need to be made better. The outlier are the cannons, and, in a perfect world (see what I did there), I would bring cannon power drain in line with beams instead of making beams more powerful. The analogy I was suggesting is that if everything good, and one thing is OP, its healthier for the game to bring the OP item down in line with all the other items instead of raising all items to the level of the one OP item.

My comment was suggesting the question should evaluate what the real problem is.

I meant no subtext to suggest if enough players complained, there would be justification to nerf cannons.

Again, we have no plans to nerf cannons in any way. I cant make it any more clear than that.
Well that's good news, but I don't think that beams are "okay". I honestly don't think that any weapons other than cannons and torpedos are "okay". I just think there needs to be smarter/more use of disables and roots. We really do need better science powers.
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