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# 61
03-11-2013, 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by archoncryptic View Post
For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
Is that a prelude to fleet versions of other c-store ship-specific weapons (Quads, wide angle torps, etc.)?
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 62
03-11-2013, 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by archoncryptic View Post
I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase.
sorry but you are taking the urine on those who have already purchased these and you want us to buy them again with extra dilithium , how about a discount for those who already have them ? . this would go a little of the way to make up for your error/bug
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 63
03-11-2013, 12:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by archoncryptic View Post
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...1&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.

These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.

For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
Archon, with all due respect this is not about people feeling "disappointed" it's about people feeling robbed & jipped etc. Obviously you guys are not trying to do that, but you can't escape the PERCEPTION of people looking at this change.
You guys have the power to reverse this decision and do RIGHT by the players.
Possible alternatives:
-offer DIL refunds to players who have purchased them (either in full or in part)
-grandfather existing weapons out in players hands. Make the change for all purchases moving forward.
-leave them alone power wise, but alter them to be equipped on Andorian escort only.
-leave them just as they are, and change the text. I don't think the players care that you guys think the only way to get "MK XII" gear is through rep/endgame.
-leave them alone, but add another affix for the "fleet" versions.

Or some combination of the above.
A Bait and switch, regardless of it is done maliciously or to correct a released error, is still a problem on every level for you and your PR team, even if only the perception of a B&S. No good comes from this change, really.
Embrace the players' wishes on this and seek another route to "correct" the mistake, that doesn't make players feel taken advantage of.

If anything, this issue alongside the issues with the ship at launch point CLEARLY that you guys need more testing (whether that be time spent with, more peoples' hands on, or both ) for upcoming items. Something we as a vocal forum have been shouting since Free2Play launch.
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# 64
03-11-2013, 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by archoncryptic View Post
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...1&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.

These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.

For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
ArchonCryptic,

I understand where you are coming from regarding the downgrading of Andorian Weapons. However, there is indeed a bait-and-switch situation present here, so why not allow dilithium refunds via dilitium store, e.g., 1 Andorian phaser beam array for 22k dilithium? If this is not feasible, then you could run a database query that does the refund as a 1-time operation during the next patch day, removing all current Andorian weapons from player ships and inventories while refunding them the exact dilithium costs of the weapons deleted. This would accomplish Cryptic's goal of rebalancing all Andorian phasers while letting players recoup any early-adopter losses.

Thank you for your time...

EDIT: BTW, I did not purchase any Andorian phasers -- my ships are already equipped with elite fleet phasers. However, I find it difficult to remain silent on the subject just because I was not directly affected by such stat-corrections.
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# 65
03-11-2013, 12:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by archoncryptic View Post
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...1&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.

These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.

For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
A win/win here is to increase the Dil cost of the ones currently in the store instead of nerfing (and it *is* a nerf) the ones people already bought. Since we have to have an Andorian Escort to already get the weapons, we have already paid a premium for them just to unlock them. No one should be upset by the price increase. Just call the earlier price an introductory sale.

See, easy peasy.
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Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 66
03-11-2013, 12:37 PM
I pulled the trigger on my set last night and to be honest yea they are fun, yes they come with pretty crappy weapons other then the wing cannon, I like that one. My advise is ditch the andorian consoles and use ones that beef it up a bit and use the quad cannon or fleet phasers then stack the phaser consoles, that would also beef up the DPS of the wing cannon. I like my purchase my only grip's is i wish it had 3 aft weapon slots and one more engineering console slot for the tact ship...it is kinda brittle without it. when in battle...KEEP MOVING...This is difficult for me since as a engineer who generally sits and tanks it out it is forcing me to change tactics.

I wish whatever phasers we use on it would change to blue though..lmao

I just want to say that i'm using disruptors right now since i already had them, even with those the ship has thrown some decent dps.

Last edited by crownvic2door; 03-11-2013 at 12:42 PM.
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Join Date: Jan 2013
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# 67
03-11-2013, 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by archoncryptic View Post
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...1&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.

These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.

For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
Sorry this is not acceptable. Think you really we paying again dilithium for another batch of andorian weapons after you nerf this ones.
No thank you, find a way to give our dilithium back for the weapons or in my case the 44.99EUR was the last time PW got money from me, it's that simple....................
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# 68
03-11-2013, 01:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by archoncryptic View Post
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...1&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.

These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.

For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
This post is so wrong on so many levels.

I'm not disappointed. I'm angry. I read the stats that Cryptic provided for the weapons before buying them. If a Cryptic employee can't do their job properly and makes an error that puts people out of pocket then it's Cryptic's responsibility, not ours. So no, I don't think you understand at all.

Very nice of you to put some information in one of your posts. I don't read every post on the forums and as such I didnt read that. I'm pretty sure a lot of people who hang around the forums didn't read it, too. What about the people who don't actually read the forum at all? Too bad for us all for Cryptic's error?

You say that Cryptic didn't intentionally mislead anyone. Intentional or not, we were mislead. Intentional or not, Cryptic did the misleading. Cryptic needs to man up and take the responsibility for this. Passing the buck like this is weak with a side order of weak with plenty of weak sauce on top.

Cryptic has an opportunity right about now. It has an opportunity to realise that it made an error, be it intentional or not, and support, not punish, the people who have followed and supported this game. As was suggested earlier you could refund the dilithium and remove the weapons from our characters. This is fair and protects everyone who spent dilithium and real money on these weapons. Nobody would lose out and your balance would be preserved. Locking down the weapons that have already been released is also a satisfactory solution. You may say that the weapons already sold would be out of balance but Cryptic could use that as a lesson to get it right next time.

Let's see what you do. Let's see if you take the high moral ground and take responsibility for your error or if you take the weak way out and nerf items so they become what we did not pay for.
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# 69
03-11-2013, 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by archoncryptic View Post
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...1&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.

These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.

For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
I think the big thing with the Spiral Wave is that it's the only thing that makes the Galor special... and then the funny thing is that you don't need to put those on the Galor. The Galor looks beautiful but is probably outclassed by every other lockbox ship.

The funny thing to me is that the D'Kora can equip DHCs and the Galor can't when there's IP evidence for the Galor being heavy cannon ready and using "pulse weapons". And, for that matter, classifying the Galor as a Destroyer would have IP evidence as well (as it's called a "Destroyer" more than once) and the one thing in game terms that's an obstacle to it being a tanky Destroyer is the ability to equip DHCs.
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# 70
03-11-2013, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by darramouss1 View Post
This post is so wrong on so many levels.

I'm not disappointed. I'm angry. I read the stats that Cryptic provided for the weapons before buying them. If a Cryptic employee can't do their job properly and makes an error that puts people out of pocket then it's Cryptic's responsibility, not ours. So no, I don't think you understand at all.

Very nice of you to put some information in one of your posts. I don't read every post on the forums and as such I didnt read that. I'm pretty sure a lot of people who hang around the forums didn't read it, too. What about the people who don't actually read the forum at all? Too bad for us all for Cryptic's error?

You say that Cryptic didn't intentionally mislead anyone. Intentional or not, we were mislead. Intentional or not, Cryptic did the misleading. Cryptic needs to man up and take the responsibility for this. Passing the buck like this is weak with a side order of weak with plenty of weak sauce on top.

Cryptic has an opportunity right about now. It has an opportunity to realise that it made an error, be it intentional or not, and support, not punish, the people who have followed and supported this game. As was suggested earlier you could refund the dilithium and remove the weapons from our characters. This is fair and protects everyone who spent dilithium and real money on these weapons. Nobody would lose out and your balance would be preserved. Locking down the weapons that have already been released is also a satisfactory solution. You may say that the weapons already sold would be out of balance but Cryptic could use that as a lesson to get it right next time.

Let's see what you do. Let's see if you take the high moral ground and take responsibility for your error or if you take the weak way out and nerf items so they become what we did not pay for.
Where's the fun in going the moral high ground?

But seriously, why do we need an apology for every mistake we're subjected to, intentional or not? Time spent apologizing could very well be spent on game things, or their families, or sleep, or anything else productive.

I acknowledge the change, even having bought the Andorian weapons either, and simply move on. True I 'paid' for it with Dilithilum, but everything in-game is subject to changes, and they have to right to change them anytime they like. This includes things bought with real-life money.

I understand that, and don't bother worrying about 'my money's worth'. I discovered years ago that it's just an unnecessary waste of feelings. And yes, that is my honest opinion
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