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# 11
03-10-2013, 09:00 AM
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for someone with a mirror avatar shouldnt you be more suspicious of 'the party line'?

the galaxy was a case of ''we are just here to explore, its just a coincidence we can roflstomp any warship you have 1 v 1''.
this is from observation of the show. Look at what other ships we saw during the series, most of them 80-100 years old. They thought they made the Galaxy Powerful enough, they were wrong.
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# 12
03-10-2013, 04:45 PM
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They thought they made the Galaxy Powerful enough, they were wrong.
And that's very clearly borne out by the Intrepid class. Only 13 years newer, less than a sixth the mass (about half the length), and able to roflstomp a Galaxy.
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# 13
03-11-2013, 01:44 PM
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And that's very clearly borne out by the Intrepid class. Only 13 years newer, less than a sixth the mass (about half the length), and able to roflstomp a Galaxy.
This is one of the problems with Trek in general and why you can sort of throw arguments about "canon" ships out the window. The ships were at the whim of the writers. The writers of Voyager wanted a little science ship to be a BAMF face stomper for some reason which somehow explains how Voyager makes it 7 years with no refit going through constant battles and stress.

Deep Space 9 it was all about the Defiant being a hero ship and making us believe a small escort like that could survive multiple hits from torpedoes and battle cruisers and just shrug it off and reduce half a fleet to space dust like it was nothing. Honestly the Dominion War could have been 5 Defiants vs. The Breen/Jem'Hadar and they would have face pwned the entire enemy fleet based on what Sisko's one little ship was shown to be able to do.

Star Trek VI made the Connie look like the ultimate tank, I mean how many photons can you take? In that regard that film made the Connie look 10000X more durable than the Enterprise D. Same with the Excelsior, surviving the aftermath of a supernova wave, multiple torpedoes. If the Enterprise D took like 3 torps she was reduced to a sparking mess.

TNG really screwed the pooch on the Galaxy, if all things were equal and realistic the Galaxy would face stomp the Defiant and Voyager without so much as an after thought. More weapons, bigger power output(which I always thought was the ultimate factor when it came to Trek in space combat for shield and energy levels), etc. How many times do we see the Galaxy just face rolled by run of the mill BoPs in TNG and the films? It's complete crap. Even drawing power from the engines for the quad cannons, there is no way on Earth a Defiant would survive a prolonged fleet battle and be able to dole out that kind of damage while keeping shields or engines going. Same goes for Voyager and all the battles they got in. The ship would have been a wrecked mess after 2-3 years. It all comes down to the writers wanting to have badass ships in their shows. *shrug*

At least with the Sovereign in the films they got it sort of right, the ship has solid firepower and can take a beating as seen in Nemesis. In terms of "on screen" counterparts in the TV shows and movies, the Sovy is probably the closest to accurate amongst all the ships.
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# 14
03-11-2013, 03:28 PM
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This is one of the problems with Trek in general and why you can sort of throw arguments about "canon" ships out the window. The ships were at the whim of the writers. The writers of Voyager wanted a little science ship to be a BAMF face stomper for some reason which somehow explains how Voyager makes it 7 years with no refit going through constant battles and stress.

Deep Space 9 it was all about the Defiant being a hero ship and making us believe a small escort like that could survive multiple hits from torpedoes and battle cruisers and just shrug it off and reduce half a fleet to space dust like it was nothing. Honestly the Dominion War could have been 5 Defiants vs. The Breen/Jem'Hadar and they would have face pwned the entire enemy fleet based on what Sisko's one little ship was shown to be able to do.

Star Trek VI made the Connie look like the ultimate tank, I mean how many photons can you take? In that regard that film made the Connie look 10000X more durable than the Enterprise D. Same with the Excelsior, surviving the aftermath of a supernova wave, multiple torpedoes. If the Enterprise D took like 3 torps she was reduced to a sparking mess.

TNG really screwed the pooch on the Galaxy, if all things were equal and realistic the Galaxy would face stomp the Defiant and Voyager without so much as an after thought. More weapons, bigger power output(which I always thought was the ultimate factor when it came to Trek in space combat for shield and energy levels), etc. How many times do we see the Galaxy just face rolled by run of the mill BoPs in TNG and the films? It's complete crap. Even drawing power from the engines for the quad cannons, there is no way on Earth a Defiant would survive a prolonged fleet battle and be able to dole out that kind of damage while keeping shields or engines going. Same goes for Voyager and all the battles they got in. The ship would have been a wrecked mess after 2-3 years. It all comes down to the writers wanting to have badass ships in their shows. *shrug*

At least with the Sovereign in the films they got it sort of right, the ship has solid firepower and can take a beating as seen in Nemesis. In terms of "on screen" counterparts in the TV shows and movies, the Sovy is probably the closest to accurate amongst all the ships.
disagree with with ST 6 THe Connie takes 6 shots with full shields.
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# 15
03-11-2013, 04:00 PM
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disagree with with ST 6 THe Connie takes 6 shots with full shields.
Actually, her shields aren't working hence why her saucer section gets a hole punched rightbthrough it. Both in the TOS and movies the connie has always been able to take a brutal beating.

Thus I think Voyager could have as well, however, I hate the way Voyager didn't even have scars at the end of her 7 year run! Battle damage would have been nice and realistic. Even the NX took an ass kicking unlike anything seen before in star trek, well, bar perhaps the sovvie in Nemesis... Which as much as I enjoyed admittedly I always found it perplexing she didnt blow up after ramming the Schmitar.

I always thought the Galaxy received an unfair send off. It was a pathetic way to change ships and I am sure we all agreed, in comparison to every other ship that bared the name Enterprise, it was the most unrealistic means of disposing any ship the writers could think of.
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# 16
03-11-2013, 04:07 PM
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I always thought the Galaxy received an unfair send off. It was a pathetic way to change ships and I am sure we all agreed, in comparison to every other ship that bared the name Enterprise, it was the most unrealistic means of disposing any ship the writers could think of.
I thought it going through atmosphere with a screaming android at the helm was superb


The reason the -D always got the beatdown is a small, unknown and often ignored fact:


Her captain was French.
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# 17
03-11-2013, 04:13 PM
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I thought it going through atmosphere with a screaming android at the helm was superb


The reason the -D always got the beatdown is a small, unknown and often ignored fact:


Her captain was French.
Ok, that is true...on both accounts!

But the Engineering section of the ship being destroyed by some teeny tiny BOP was just too much! Even the Connie flew off i to the sunset after being attacked by such an enemy ship! Yet its not a T5 ship in game! I know, I know... I won't go there.
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# 18
03-11-2013, 04:21 PM
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Actually, her shields aren't working hence why her saucer section gets a hole punched rightbthrough it. Both in the TOS and movies the connie has always been able to take a brutal beating.

Thus I think Voyager could have as well, however, I hate the way Voyager didn't even have scars at the end of her 7 year run! Battle damage would have been nice and realistic. Even the NX took an ass kicking unlike anything seen before in star trek, well, bar perhaps the sovvie in Nemesis... Which as much as I enjoyed admittedly I always found it perplexing she didnt blow up after ramming the Schmitar.

I always thought the Galaxy received an unfair send off. It was a pathetic way to change ships and I am sure we all agreed, in comparison to every other ship that bared the name Enterprise, it was the most unrealistic means of disposing any ship the writers could think of.
E-A started with Full shields and the torp through hull was the singal that they had collapsed.
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# 19
03-12-2013, 06:20 AM
The way the -D went down in Generations was a contrivance to add shock and suspense to an otherwise somewhat dull movie. The BoP had their shield frequency and was therefore ignoring the shields. There's the one shot that bangs into the drive section I think is the lucky shot that did it. So, ignoring shields and a lucky shot. By all rights, Enterprise should have won that fight, but battles are chaotic like that.

Only thing that still bothers me is if an enemy is penetrating their shields, the first thing they'd normally do is rotate the shield frequency/harmonics/whatever. They did it with the Borg, obviously it would work better with the Klingons. If the shields are being rotated constantly by the computer, controlled from the tactical console, even having Geordi's VISOR bugged wouldn't have helped. Even if he was staring at the number all the time (which he wouldn't be), the delay between them seeing it and tuning their weapons to match would be too slow. Not that Enterprise could've known they were being spied on, but rotating the shields seems like a pretty standard procedure that they should have immediately started doing.
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# 20
03-12-2013, 06:48 AM
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And that's very clearly borne out by the Intrepid class. Only 13 years newer, less than a sixth the mass (about half the length), and able to roflstomp a Galaxy.
Don't you mean it can roflstomp and entire armada Federation ships?
The Borg Cube in "First Contact" easily fought an entire Fleet of ships and what happens when Voyager engages the more heavily armed and armored version of that Cube?
Voyager wins!
This has nothing to do with the Galaxy class, it's the hack writing Voyager was so infamous for.
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