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# 11
02-20-2013, 12:30 PM
News is they plan to release a great new KDF ship on February 31st...
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# 12
03-06-2013, 05:10 AM
dint happen
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# 13
03-10-2013, 05:08 PM
Maybe it's a lack of new ideas that are adequately cool? The Federation ships they've been releasing do come from existing cannon, more or less. I'm pretty sure they've already run out of cannon ships for the KDF member races.
I can't help but feel that because of the limited amount of new KDF content, they might be able to make a decent chunk of change releasing an adequately flexible KDF ship bundle.

If they're need a crazy, but interesting idea, though, I'd be happy to supply one...
... though it's a fairly crazy idea based around stabbing the Second Khitomer Accords in the face...
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# 14
03-11-2013, 09:30 PM
anything kdf would be a +1 for me
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# 15
03-12-2013, 07:03 AM
there is a very important thing to remember about the disparity of KDF to fed in the ships department and its all about design philosophy.

Klingon StarShip Design differs especially in one area from the design strategy the Federation uses. The Federation designs a totally new class for each (little) advancement and thus each new ship has its own teething troubles.

Klingons upgrade their ships step by step - replacing only the new designed machines and parts and keeping the trusted reliable rest. A better warp core? Okay, then the new core is fitted into the proven ship. Why discard the tested and trusted - only because it has served some years faithfully? Because of this philosophy there are "only" a few classes of Klingon starships
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# 16
03-12-2013, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by blu3drag0n1977 View Post
there is a very important thing to remember about the disparity of KDF to fed in the ships department and its all about design philosophy.

Klingon StarShip Design differs especially in one area from the design strategy the Federation uses. The Federation designs a totally new class for each (little) advancement and thus each new ship has its own teething troubles.

Klingons upgrade their ships step by step - replacing only the new designed machines and parts and keeping the trusted reliable rest. A better warp core? Okay, then the new core is fitted into the proven ship. Why discard the tested and trusted - only because it has served some years faithfully? Because of this philosophy there are "only" a few classes of Klingon starships
Except this also flies in the face of this exchange from "Sleeping Dogs":

REED: What language?
HOSHI: Klingon. (all draw their phase pistols) I thought you knew Klingon ships. Why didn't you recognise this one from the outside?
T'POL: There are many classes of ships. I'm not familiar with all of them.
REED: So I'm assuming you don't know how many Klingons are on board.

They don't just have a handful or so.

*EDIT: there's still not K'vort class battlecruiser in this game, which is a canon TNG-era ship, and not just in the "Yesterday's Enterprise" timeline.*
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# 17
03-12-2013, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by blu3drag0n1977 View Post
there is a very important thing to remember about the disparity of KDF to fed in the ships department and its all about design philosophy.

Klingon StarShip Design differs especially in one area from the design strategy the Federation uses. The Federation designs a totally new class for each (little) advancement and thus each new ship has its own teething troubles.

Klingons upgrade their ships step by step - replacing only the new designed machines and parts and keeping the trusted reliable rest. A better warp core? Okay, then the new core is fitted into the proven ship. Why discard the tested and trusted - only because it has served some years faithfully? Because of this philosophy there are "only" a few classes of Klingon starships
I agree, that's a big and justified impediment to adding more Klingon ships. But the Klingons aren't the only species who contribute vessels to the KDF. We presently have, from an end-game perspective, one Gorn ship, one Nausicaan ship, one Orion ship, and no Lethean ships.

There's nothing that says that those member species don't have any more tricks up their sleeves (where such clothing applies). Cryptic/PWE could easily add a Gorn stealth support ship, a Nausiccan glass-cannon attack ship, an Orion minefield specialist cruiser, or a Lethean infiltration frigate (just to throw off some examples off the top of my head) while still staying fairly true to those established KDF design philosophies.

EDIT: Okay, maybe not easily for some of those examples, but I think my basic point still stands...

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# 18
03-12-2013, 03:15 PM
There have been nine ships playable by KDF characters added in Season 7 so far. But don't let that disrupt people who claim they haven't got a new ship in "years" from telling their tales. I find if endlessly entertaining watching people say things that are blatantly untrue try and prove otherwise.

C-Store ship... probably not long after that countdown timer hits 0.
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# 19
03-12-2013, 03:49 PM
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There have been nine ships playable by KDF characters added in Season 7 so far. But don't let that disrupt people who claim they haven't got a new ship in "years" from telling their tales. I find if endlessly entertaining watching people say things that are blatantly untrue try and prove otherwise.

C-Store ship... probably not long after that countdown timer hits 0.
I don't do forum stuff very often, so I hope I'm not "feeding the troll," or whatever the expression is.

I have not, myself, said there are "no new ships" or that it's been "years" since the KDF got any new ships. And, on this count, you are correct-- such a claim would be untrue. But here's the problem: what the KDF has gotten have been ships which are so obviously "let's take this Federation ship and make it all Klingon-y" that it can sometimes feel a little insulting.

We've gotten the Kamarang, which is exactly that-- an Ambassador that's been made Klingon-y. While it's not a total carbon copy of the Ambassador (it has less hull, better turn rate, can cloak, and can mount dual cannons), the ship is so obviously just a quick-and-dirty conversion that it was a little disappointing, really.

The same applies to the Bortasqu' line of battle cruisers, though they at least came up with a set of distinct consoles for it, making it feel like it was the last time that Cryptic/PWE put any sort of real effort into anything KDF-related.

Case in point here: the Korath- and Krenn-classes of timeships. The Korath is, statistically, 100% identical to the Wells-class temporal science vessel, while the Krenn is a blatant carbon-copy of the Mobius-class destroyer. Same consoles, same turn rate, same weapons options, etc.

So, between Bortasqu'-line variants, that's seven of nine, there (was the Bortasqu'/Oddessy late Season 6 or early Season 7-- I get easily mixed up on that sort of thing). I'm trying to figure out what your last two are. If you're talking the tier-3 Kamarang and the Rhozhenko time-shuttle, I'm going to be a little disappointed, since I'm talking end-game, and there's only two missions you can use a shuttle in anymore.

If you're talking cross-factional vessels, such as the Chel'grett, the Jem'hadar carriers, the Tuffli, etc., well... you're kinda' missing my point. Those are even more carbon-copy-ish than the super-blatant Korath- and Krenn-classes.

The KDF really doesn't get ships of its own. We get slightly-tweaked Federation left-overs, at best. And that's a pity. It tells KDF players that the developers really don't care about them.
I find that genuinely disheartening.

Thanks for letting me put out my little rant here. I probably wouldn't have gotten a chance to express myself this thoroughly without it.
And sorry if I accidentally called you troll, Tsurutafan.
No hard feelings?

Last edited by miri2; 03-12-2013 at 04:02 PM. Reason: A little bit of sentence flow correction.
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# 20
03-14-2013, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by miri2 View Post

Case in point here: the Korath- and Krenn-classes of timeships. The Korath is, statistically, 100% identical to the Wells-class temporal science vessel, while the Krenn is a blatant carbon-copy of the Mobius-class destroyer. Same consoles, same turn rate, same weapons options, etc.
I dont mean to nit-pick but one could easily debate that the KDF designs came first, and they based the Fed versions off of Korath/Krenn ones..?
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