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# 81
03-12-2013, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by woodwhity View Post
I really dont get the KDF-Faction. You have a nice sum of ships (Battlecruiser as opposed no normal cruisers on FED side), you get dilithium easier than FED, you have nice gadgets (Plasmonic leech, Aceton etc.), the only thing you lack is a story thats as big as the FEDs one.

I think you are just too greedy
Ever actually tried the KDF out?
Given I recently read people were totally disappointed by the Bio-Neural torp after it had become available to the Feds because of all the (and I quote) "horror stories" they'd come to hear about it in PvP it seems the people who don't get it are the ones who haven't actually tried the stuff.
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# 82
03-12-2013, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by woodwhity View Post
I really dont get the KDF-Faction. You have a nice sum of ships (Battlecruiser as opposed no normal cruisers on FED side), you get dilithium easier than FED, you have nice gadgets (Plasmonic leech, Aceton etc.), the only thing you lack is a story thats as big as the FEDs one.

I think you are just too greedy
Considerimg one of the biggest complaints about the KDF is lack of a linear storyline is keeping many from sticking to playing the faction I do not see how us KDF fans wanting a complete 1-50 storyline for the enjoyment of playing the faction is being greedy.

Whats the point of the only thing a new to the KDF player hangs around for is the ease of acquiring dilithium?
We KDF need a complete faction to complete the Kdf part of the game and add more to the STO han just being fed alt farmers.
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# 83
03-12-2013, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by woodwhity View Post
I really dont get the KDF-Faction. You have a nice sum of ships (Battlecruiser as opposed no normal cruisers on FED side), you get dilithium easier than FED, you have nice gadgets (Plasmonic leech, Aceton etc.), the only thing you lack is a story thats as big as the FEDs one.

I think you are just too greedy
I think, the fact alone, that you start in your Bird of Prey at level 20 with only common equipment, no energy credits, dilithium and even no bridge officers (you have to do an boring 30 min tutorial to get some) reject already 80% of people considering to start playing KDF.

The next point is that the ship and character customization seroisly lacks behind FED. This, and the fact, that there is beside the Omega / Romulan REP no development of your character / ship, because there are nearly no C-store goodies for KDF, leads to resignation of another 15%.

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# 84
03-12-2013, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by woodwhity View Post
I really dont get the KDF-Faction. You have a nice sum of ships (Battlecruiser as opposed no normal cruisers on FED side), you get dilithium easier than FED, you have nice gadgets (Plasmonic leech, Aceton etc.), the only thing you lack is a story thats as big as the FEDs one.

I think you are just too greedy
Nah, most of us are just being logical and practical.

I don't have an issue with the range of ships the KDF has atm. Maybe except the utter lack of sci. vessels. Guess I could go by with the reference - KDF has prime access to raiders and Fed. does not, so Fed. gets prime acess to sci. vessels and no raiders. But, somehow does not seem fair to the sci.class of the KDF not to be able to use a proper science ship at end-game except the Varanus, or to be forced to gamble for a Korath. If we shouldn't have acess to sci. ships then there should be a different class for the KDF.

Once again, personally I don't have an issue with the range of ships availible to the KDF. I however might have an issue with KDF ships in the near future if there is no story content for lvl 1-20 and the possibility of starting as a KDF from the begining. Because if there are not more players in the KDF, the devs. will not overwhelm theirselves to make new KDF ships on regular basis, as they already stated. Then the KDF might really suffer from disparity. You tell me, is this greed or pure logic and survival?

But what actually really bugs me is the romulan rep. and NR for the KDF. IMO it's completely out of character for the faction. For ex., if I want to enhance the battlecloak on my BoP, I need to get a Romulan Boff. But, when I think of looking at Romulans when I go to my bridge I get a strange feeling in my stomach. One would think that they'd at least also make Remans availible to get, because I don't want to see Romulans serving on my BoP.

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# 85
03-13-2013, 12:57 AM
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I actually skim over a lot of the threads in many of the different areas of the forums. I am thinking that most of us do.

I am picking up on a common theme amongst the Federation-centric and general forums that has me a bit down. That theme is a yearning for a true Romulan faction...and married to that theme are the ideas that for all intents and purposes the KDF as a faction should be considered "done" because it is likely that more players will flock to the Romulan faction anyway, and the KDF really does not need much new content...or ships...or storyline..and that it has been three years...and this is all the KDF should expect, other than the ability to start at level 1. I even saw one guy say that the number of ships are like 50 or so available at Tier 5, and that the KDF has more variety of vessels than the Feds do, and don't need any more ship types at all.

You know...if that happens (a new rom faction with the KDF being considered "done" as is)..well, I am a lifetime subscriber, so "leaving" the game is not really an option since I can pick it back up wherever I may have left off at...but if it goes down in this way, I will be extremely dissapointed.

I know that what is driving this is a certain demographic in the Federation player base that does not care the slightest for Klingon content or the KDF faction -- all they care about is getting into that sexy Romulan War Bird as soon as they can...and so they view the KDF as an obstacle to that goal...and obstacle that they really do not see as an obstacle because they -- in their own minds at least -- do not recognize the KDF as a true faction in this game.

It is sad. And depressing.

Easy Solution, force players to have to make it through a level 50 Federation, and a level 50 Klingon Account before they are allowed to go into the Romulan Faction. It would create a bigger level of respect and wants/demands for the Klingon Faction to make the grind "funner".

As far as ship availability, Romulan Faction will have far, far less ship types available. The entire Romulan Empire is designed/constructed around Espionage like styles. Even found in their Warhorse, the Warbirds, they are all geared towards espionage.

Every ship would be battlecloak capable, as seen when fighting the NPC Romulan ships. Even the Warbirds can battle cloak. How they will balance Romulan ships vs Klingon and Federation, we'll soon find out. but it should absolutely be a requirement to have a level 50 Fed, and Klingon account before being permitted to take on a Romulan Account.

They should also have a massive array of Romulan Birds of Prey instead of just the Shriek, etc. Romulans historically via Federation Lore if you've read the Star Trek books, aren't the types to typically go head on into battle. They are the kind of foe who would heavily favor plotted through tactics, they want to do as much possible damage, and kill as many as possible with as few as possible assets.

They like to work as many sides against each other towards their benefit. If Klingons are considered "Medium Difficulty", than the Romulans should be put down as "Hard Difficulty". It should lead to play styles that make every player think twice before thye just jump into a battle.

It should also effect player decisions in cloaking/anti-cloaking modules and abilities, etc.

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# 86
03-13-2013, 02:06 AM
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Every ship would be battlecloak capable, as seen when fighting the NPC Romulan ships. Even the Warbirds can battle cloak.
i don't know what NPCs you've been facing off against, but i've been fighting romulan ships for over a year, and not once have i ever seen them cloak in combat; i've only seen klingon BoPs doing that
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# 87
03-13-2013, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
Every ship would be battlecloak capable, as seen when fighting the NPC Romulan ships. Even the Warbirds can battle cloak. How they will balance Romulan ships vs Klingon and Federation, we'll soon find out. but it should absolutely be a requirement to have a level 50 Fed, and Klingon account before being permitted to take on a Romulan Account.

They should also have a massive array of Romulan Birds of Prey instead of just the Shriek, etc. Romulans historically via Federation Lore if you've read the Star Trek books, aren't the types to typically go head on into battle. They are the kind of foe who would heavily favor plotted through tactics, they want to do as much possible damage, and kill as many as possible with as few as possible assets.
all their ships will be escort cruiser hybrids with turn rates of 15+ & the mogai will make the jhas look portly.

but maybe im joking and horibly wrong.
as it turns out, an intrepid would lose a fight with a connie.
and thats canon.
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# 88
03-13-2013, 02:26 AM
From what I've been able to gather, KDF lacks not only content, but any sort of feel to really distinguish it from the Fed side. It's hard to immerse yourself in the setting, although I would argue that this is very much the same case for the Federation side as well... it would seem that the essence of Star Trek from either the familiar Federation perspective or a hypothetical Klingon one isn't quite as well captured in this game...

If it were up to me, I'd compress all the existing single-player missions into much smaller episodes of no more than 5-7 missions, and shuffle off the remainder to be incorporated into exploration missions. Insofar that idea is concerned, I actually think that the KDF fits this ideal most closely, because I feel that the Federation side of things is bloated with too many missions that revolve around similar gameplay elements. I've been at VA level for about 2 months now, but haven't really found the motivation to finish off the Cardie missions.
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# 89
03-13-2013, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by shadowfang240 View Post
i don't know what NPCs you've been facing off against, but i've been fighting romulan ships for over a year, and not once have i ever seen them cloak in combat; i've only seen klingon BoPs doing that
Really? Than how does a Mogai suddenly cloak after taking a cannon rapid fire?

How do Romulan BoPs cloak after being near death?

You've never paid much attention.
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# 90
03-13-2013, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by eraserfish View Post
I've been at VA level for about 2 months now, but haven't really found the motivation to finish off the Cardie missions.
Wait there are Cardassian mission in the game?
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