Lieutenant
Join Date: Dec 2012
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# 1 Which ship for noob PVPer?
03-15-2013, 03:39 AM
I have played the game for a year or so and have a Tac on each faction. I dabbled in PUG PVP last summer. I was pretty hopeless, TBH. I took a break from the game but now I am back but have only done doffing, reputation and ESTFs.

I'd like to get back into some PVP. My problem is that I am simply not quick enough when it comes to reading the battlefield, trying to read all those little buff symbols on a target, chaining powers etc.

To give an example, my nicely built Breen ESTF ship has 2 lots of TT, CRF, APB, EPtS along with distribute shields and tactical initiative all bound to my fire button! I only have to select APA and a few others. I also have a panic button that chains some running away powers. This is the only way I can realistically use all the options at my disposal and get the DPS. Otherwise some of them would spend too long unused.

Now, I know that none of this bodes well for PVP (!) but I am wondering what ship I could use that, with a sensible build, could allow me to be some use to my team?

My ships at the moment are:

Fed: Armitage & Chel Grett (main ships), 2nd Ann. Oddy, Ambassador refit & T4 escorts.

KDF: JHAS (all I really use), Chel Grett, Vorcha R, Hegh'ta, Vo'quv, Kamarang R, Mirror Qin.

I have been considering a Fleet 'Defiant' as we approach T3. My thoughts were that perhaps I could set it all up under cloak, do an alpha strike and then have time to sort it all out again. Same deal with a Bop/B'rel torp boat on KDF side.

All comments appreciated ...
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 2
03-15-2013, 04:28 AM
In PvP, you're gonna have to master some rudimentary chaining of powers and some precise timing of said powers in order to really maximize potential.

If you have difficulty gauging the enemy's status, I would suggest adopting more of a tanking/healing setup on a cruiser or carrier, and doing your best to tank and heal others, and maybe even debuff the enemy. DPSing won't mean much of anything unless you're able to time your burst attacks with gaps in the enemy defenses, which means being able to pay attention to their status and their patterns.

Even the strongest burst attack from a Fleet Defiant or JHAS can be shrugged off by a tanking cruiser's defenses, if it's not timed right.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 3
03-15-2013, 05:55 AM
The best way to learn pvp is to do alot of 1 vs 1's. 1 target, you only have to worry about yourself. Much easier to see and learn timing than jumping in arenas and cap n holds where everything turns into a soup of blue vs red.

It's also advisable to read Broken mirrors PvP Guide bc it is most important you understand what every ability does. Once you get it the next step is to know what ability counters those abilities. This is how you will to begin developing your tactics.

When doing 1 on 1's if someone is beating you bad ask for advice. Most in this game will give you pointers.

If you want to do a few rounds just PM me in game @edalgo

Goodluck

Last edited by edalgo; 03-15-2013 at 06:00 AM.
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# 4
03-15-2013, 06:13 AM
I dunno about the suggestion to do 1v1s.

I would suggest he fly with a team of experienced players so that he can ease himself into the game and learn how they play.

It's a team game first and foremost.


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Commander
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 5
03-15-2013, 07:00 AM
Good suggestions so far. As someone who has played for a while and just branched into PvP in the last couple months I totally get where you are coming from. At least you have some key binds going, even if they're not ideal, you have an idea of what's going on.

Fleet defiant rocks pretty hard in PvP, definitely recommend it if you are comfortable in an escort, although the Fleet Patrol Escort is more forgiving in survivability, and if I recall it's tier 2.

If you want I can help you out some in game from the perspective of a newish but fairly decent player. Hit me up @jorricane - my playtime is a bit erratic at the moment but you can probably catch me in the evenings CST.

Cheers!
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jan 2013
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# 6
03-15-2013, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by captainretset View Post
I'd like to get back into some PVP. My problem is that I am simply not quick enough when it comes to reading the battlefield, trying to read all those little buff symbols on a target, chaining powers etc.
I'm in the same boat, but for now I only look for two things: a long yellow buff bar = good luck killing it, and an orange icon with a quarter circle tucked in a corner = target is weak, kill it.
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Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 7
03-15-2013, 07:16 AM
If you have a JHAS you don't need a defiant technically you shouldn't need any other ship

The defiant hits hard but the Boff seating is just plain stupid

No this is not another JHAS trumps everything it just is the best pvp ship barring something like a wells from what I've seen

As or technique it's all about practice go out get whooped que up get whooped some more que up get whooped again and so on so on

As for reading buffs on targets if you start fighting say an oddy for instance and after 2,3 maybe 4 passes its not dead change targets ignore the oddy if it has that much tanking its guns aren't gunna hurt you

Look for TT and rsp gaps look at those signs remember those and watch out for them their the two main ones really, obviously there are others

Another key I find people doing is most people you go up against will use their buffs when the see you coming if you in an escort its a piece o cake to avoid them it's Called attack pattern omega and evasive manoeuvres just get there heads spinning whilst there apa and tac fleet runs down then your safe after that

Now if you havin a premade battle that's another beast altogether and I can't give you any tips on that because I really wouldn't know what to do myself lol
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Last edited by mustafatennick; 03-15-2013 at 07:30 AM.
Commander
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 8
03-15-2013, 07:36 AM
From the OP it looks like he only has the JHAS on his KDF, so if he wants to PvP fed side, it doesn't do much good. Defiant would be the easiest way to get a decent ship fed side without spending 400+ million.
Captain
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# 9
03-15-2013, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jornado View Post
From the OP it looks like he only has the JHAS on his KDF, so if he wants to PvP fed side, it doesn't do much good. Defiant would be the easiest way to get a decent ship fed side without spending 400+ million.
Yeah I just reread the thread but didn't know if that was the case

My defiant drives me crazy at times (personal opinion)

The mvam is fantastic when in speed demon mode along with the armitage running danubes
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Lieutenant
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# 10
03-15-2013, 09:24 AM
Lot's of great advice posted already - many thanks.

@travelingmaster: I knew somebody would suggest a healer role as it makes sense. However, found I preferred the game once I switched to Escorts. That said, I forgot to mention I have a D'Kora on the KDF side. If I do decide on healer at some point I guess this would be a good ship.

@edalgo:
Thanks for the 1v1 offer which I will bear in mind. I have read all sorts but will seek out that guide. I am happy with what most stuff in the game does but I bet I'll learn a thing or two.

@snoge00f: Is there a chat channel that people use to arrange PVPs?

@jornado: Thanks for the offer and tips. I can't buy a patrol escort because, and sorry for the offence in advance, I cannot stand the sight of it on the screen. Horrible design. No, this shouldn't matter but I do have to look at it! The Defiant is iconic and I am re-watching all DS9 at the moment - first time since it was originally broadcast.

@dummyname:
Good point: Long buff bar = bide your time. Like it!

@mustafatennick: You have said what I hoped somebody would - use the JHAS as a PVP ship on the KDF side. It is somewhat wasted on ESTFs! Thanks for the buffs and general advice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
My defiant drives me crazy at times (personal opinion)

The mvam is fantastic when in speed demon mode along with the armitage running danubes
I'd really like to know what about it drives you crazy! If I don't get one then I probably will use the Armitage with Danubes as I already own it and really love the looks (Armitage skin).
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