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# 11
03-16-2013, 11:14 PM
Considering they've never been supportive enough of the KDF faction to focus a release for just that faction (like they do all the time for FED), I am not getting my hopes up for RSE.
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# 12
03-17-2013, 12:42 AM
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Considering they've never been supportive enough of the KDF faction to focus a release for just that faction (like they do all the time for FED), I am not getting my hopes up for RSE.

Like the OP said, this is not the scoop of this thread....

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# 13
03-17-2013, 03:49 AM
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1) the federation isn't ignoring the Undine they just don't use it as an excuse to invade other powers like the Klingons do, 2) D'tan is the closed thing to a functional Romulan government mostly becuase he isn't deluded enough to think the Romulans are still a mighty empire with their homeworld destroyed and their last leaders being a dupe for the people who destroyed their homeworld, and a tyrant that only focused on either devoting her military solely to revenge or crushing Romulans who are starting to move on with their lives, and their intelligence agency is in the pocket of the guys who blew up their homeworld. he's also the only one actually trying to rebuild the empire so yes the federation is helping him. 3) The federation is hardly stretched thin as The Romulans aren't that big a threat seeing as Starfleet kicked their butts in orbit of their own capital planet, the Klingons are contained for the most part, the Undine don't really do anything major except fight the Borg, and the Borg kind of look like their losing.

I'd have to disagree on this one. How is not doing anything about the Undine threat not ignoring them?
In the second mission of the first Fed. FEs, you find out that Soketh is Undine. And what does Starfleet do about it? Oh, yeah, it sends you on a rampage mission against Romulan doctors and scientists led by Admiral Zelle - also Undine. Why didn't they do anything to check their ranks and clean out Undine in between more than 20 missions you have to play is still a mystery to me.
And who was that argued against the Undine being a threat to the Federation and described them as "peacefull explorers from fluidic space"? Soketh!
One should think that after finding out he's one of them it would set off all kinds of red alarms in Starfleet, especially having their former allies the Klingons pointing this out on numerous occasions and even breaking the alliance because of it. But, noo, let's not do anything about it, let's be ignorant and arrogant.

As much as I hate to say this as a long time Star Trek fan, the state of Starfleet and the Federation as described in STO is not peachy at all. Is it possible that the Federation has grown overally arrogant and the comfort of their way of living has made them slappy and forget the very principles on which the Federation was built?
I mean, when I read that Aenik Okeg won his third election for Federation president with the help of the voters with dual citizenship, it seemed to me as I'm reading the politics column from a paper in my country.

Also the ignorance of Starfleet never ceases to amaze me in STO. I was pretty disapointed to find out that they've given the proverbial "bird" to many decorated officers.
They've literally shut out Picard and Spock when they tried to warn them about Hobus.
They've completely disregarded all warnings made by Janeway, Tuvok and Chakottay.
They made Seven of Nine leave Starfleet because they decided to ignore the Borg. What did she tell them? "The Borg will be back." And why do we have Omega Task Force now?



1) J'mpok is the one keeping the war with the federation going and doesn't seem to care if the KDF is stretched thin or not, 2) The only thing the Klingons are doing about the Undine is using them as an excuse to invade other planets.

Klingons on the other hand, when they found out about the Undine infiltrators in their ranks, immediately acted on the threat. They checked out the High Council first and even dissolved the Great House that has been infiltrated by the Undine.
They sent Jarod's ship to investigate further Undine infiltrations in the quadrant. They know that the Federation has been infiltrated just as the Gorn, but to put it simple - Starfleet is a much larger bite to chew off than the Gorn Hegemony. That's why KDF decided to deal with the Undine in Gorn ranks first.
Now, you're saying that J'mpok uses this as an excuse to invade other planets. I don't believe this to be the case, but it's just the Klingon way of life - when they conquer something as they did the Gorn, regardless of the reason behind it, they tend to be reluctant to let go.
However, I believe their reasons to be genuine simply because if the Gorn were not affected by Undine infiltrators, the KDF wouldn't even bother with the Hegemony in the first place. I'd reckon they'd be much more interested in crushing their old advesary and arch enemy - the Romulans while they are shattered from the Hobus incident.
^My opinions in red.

Now, to get back to the topic:

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I, too, would look forward to 3-way PvP in places like Ker'rat. It would add an extra factor to take into consideration when flying around, rather than just decloaking at will and blasting hapless Feddies into rubble. Temporary alliances could be forged if the combined KDF and Romulan presence in a zone is outnumbered by the Federation, and so on.

I also look forward to trading insults with those green-blooded petaQ'pu.
I'm not interested in forging any alliances with those pointy-eared decievers. I know by now that the Romulan petaQ' would only stab me in the back.
I'd rather blow them back to New Romulus, Rator III, Iconia or wherever they'd spawn from and deal with the Feds. later even if they are superior in numbers. Hadn't really bothered me so far.
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# 14
03-17-2013, 04:13 AM
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Warbirds blow up pretty.

In a perfect world of STO, I would have loved to see 4 full factions, fleshed out with a good selection of inherent faction ships. Not this terrible looking mismatched fleet we have now with ships mixed in from too many sources on whatever side.

I would have loved to see with some stories:

Federation - Stretched to the very limits, more so than the terrible Dominion War from decades past. In between the Borg, Undine (which they choose to ignore), and the war with the Klingons, as well as trying to defend by far the largest single territory in the quadrant, Starfleet is stretched to its limits. Unlike the Dominion War, it has no outside allies of any notable strength. The Klingons are again enemies, Cardassia is still a smouldering ruin, and of all the idiotic things, the Federation insists in interfering with the Romulans' internal affairs. Starfleet is still easily the largest military power in the quadrant, but it's stretched far too thin. The quadrant is going to crash down on the Federation, and Starfleet must meet the threats while spread out all over the place.

Klingon Empire - Klingons live for battle and a chance to earn glory. And the quadrant is in total chaos. Across the quadrant, everybody is focused primarily on the war between the Klingons and Federation. And what better joy is there to make small jabs at their old racial enemies, the Romulans as a sideshow? But only the Klingons seem to comprehend the extend of the Undine threat which still persists, not to mention new Borg incursions. But the Chancellor knows that the Empire is on the verge of putting itself in the same position as the Federation... war and glory is good, but grand strategy shows that with all the threats out there and a tough war with the Federation, the Empire will be stretched too thin.

Romulan Star Empire - As an officer in the Romulan navy, you are serving an Empire that has been terribly weakened and fragmented. The loss of Romulus will never be healed. There is a breakaway element of the Romulans, and the Remans have taken advantage for independence in light of the Empire's weakness, and there's little it can do to stop it at the moment. Even the vaunted Tal Shiar has suffered severe reversals. The original government left by Empress Sela is in shambles due to her disappearance and several powerful figures are vying for the throne. On top of this, both the Federation and Klingons, seeing the Empire at its weakest state in its history have seen fit to meddle with its internal affairs. They both seek to break up any chance of the Romulans from reunifying any of its strength left from the home planet's destruction.

IMO, the Romulans have a very great potential for a storied campaign of revenge.
- You will participate in a civil war between competitors trying to replace Sela as Emperor / Empress. Eventually, one will be decided. Maybe Sela herself returns?
- With the original Romulan Empire's government and power more solidified, it is now time to take action against these "Reunification" separatists in New Romulus, and to finish for good the rebelling Remans. The Romulan military with its rallied Tal Shiar will wage a campaign of annihalation. To crush these Reunification and Reman separatists. Wipe them out... all of them. Beat the Romulan Reunificationists into submission. Break the Remans for good so that they will never, ever be in strength anymore to stab the backs of the Empire.
- In dealing with the Reunificationists and Reman rebels, this will draw the ire of both the Federation and Klingon Empire. Encountering their forces as you increasingly grind the rebels under the Empire's heel will be expected. And you will deal with them. After all, it is their will that they wanted to interfere in Romulan internal affairs. It is the Federation and Klingons that both decided to carve up and divide the Empire at its weakest point in history. The Romulan military will wage another campaign to drive out for good the Federation and Klingon invaders out of its space.
- With the forceful, bloody, and very satisfying effort in kicking out the Federation, Klingons, and destroying any hint of rebellion, the newly reunified Romulan Star Empire needs to recover. But at the same time, insults from recent years cannot be ignored. To keep its neighboring foes at bay, the Romulan Empire seeks to solidify its power, but it must send some forces still to conduct offensives to keep the Federation and Klingons on their toes. They must be taught a lesson that they must again respect Romulan military might. What better way to do it than launching attacks on their bases along the Neutral Zones? And to send long ranged, cloaked strike forces deep behind their territories to cause chaos and destruction?

Lots of insults have been levied against the Romulan Empire while it was weak. Now it's time for the Empire to return the favor...

Dominion - TBD... but they do know what's going on in the Alpha Quadrant. And they do relish the alliance that once stood against them has shattered completely. The fact that DS9, a location of such strategic importance, fell (although temporary) to a single, lost Dominion fleet speaks volumes about the strength of its old foes. Opportunity awaits...
I share your thinking on this. Star Trek has always traditionally had three main factions: Federation, Klingon, Romulan. A fourth brings more variety to the table, and I've always felt it would be Dominion as an appropriate choice. The Dominion's campaign missions have so much potential: their "neutrality" now, imposed by a war they barely lost (technically they only lost in the Alpha Quadrant, despite the Founders being infected by a virus), gives them the opportunity to play the role of a still-ambiguous friend-or-foe. Dominion missions could involve moral quandaries: pacifying rebellious planetary populations and putting down resistance, or engaging in subterfuge and intrigue and diplomacy to secure new Dominion territories, or missions under orders from Odo and the Great Link to assist the Federation/Klingon Empire.

There's a lot of potential with this game... I really can't stress that point. There is a guaranteed loyal player base with anything branded, in all seriousness, as Star Trek. This game is immersive and has a great foundation. I'm saddened that people like Dan Stahl squander all of it just to continue whoring out STO for as much microtransaction money as possible.
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# 15
03-17-2013, 04:49 PM
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I'm not interested in forging any alliances with those pointy-eared decievers. I know by now that the Romulan petaQ' would only stab me in the back.
I'd rather blow them back to New Romulus, Rator III, Iconia or wherever they'd spawn from and deal with the Feds. later even if they are superior in numbers. Hadn't really bothered me so far.
Of course, and I agree with you. That's why I said temporary alliances. Say, if the Federation presence in a Ker'rat zone outnumbers the combined KDF and Romulan presence 2 to 1. . .it may behoove us to cooperate until the Federation weaklings are driven off. Then we can go back to fighting the Romulans
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# 16
03-17-2013, 05:11 PM
I do not like how the KDF was folded into the new Romulan content. I can see the path they used and why, I just dislike how unKlingon it is in its application even though it was nice that they included us.
It does make me wonder if any Klingon fans actually work at Cryptic.
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# 17
03-17-2013, 11:26 PM
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I do not like how the KDF was folded into the new Romulan content. I can see the path they used and why, I just dislike how unKlingon it is in its application even though it was nice that they included us.
It does make me wonder if any Klingon fans actually work at Cryptic.
Yeah, I don't like it either. I could've sworn at one point someone said Season 8 would be 'all about the KDF'. That would be the upcoming stuff in May, not the March update.

We'll just have to wait and see, I guess. Not much else one can do.
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# 18
03-18-2013, 07:44 AM
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I do not like how the KDF was folded into the new Romulan content. I can see the path they used and why, I just dislike how unKlingon it is in its application even though it was nice that they included us.
It does make me wonder if any Klingon fans actually work at Cryptic.
What do you mean by "the KDF was folded into the new Romulan content"?
We haven't seen any trace of anything KDF related folding into anything so far. Share some info if you know sth. new, so far I know that a new tutorial has been discussed, with the possibility to start from lvl 1 - which is highly speculative so far as it has not been confirmed.

I kinda' expected that the promotions/teasers and upcoming content would be Romulan related, they've said their plan for that even before they stopped calling the next update Season 8.
I always saw anything that the KDF would get, the S8 being positive for KDF and all according to mr.Stahl, would be sort of parallel and entangled within the next update as a bonus to the KDF on what we've been missing, while the next content be made usable by all and Romulan-centric.
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# 19
03-18-2013, 07:56 AM
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What do you mean by "the KDF was folded into the new Romulan content"?
We haven't seen any trace of anything KDF related folding into anything so far. Share some info if you know sth. new, so far I know that a new tutorial has been discussed, with the possibility to start from lvl 1 - which is highly speculative so far as it has not been confirmed.

I kinda' expected that the promotions/teasers and upcoming content would be Romulan related, they've said their plan for that even before they stopped calling the next update Season 8.
I always saw anything that the KDF would get, the S8 being positive for KDF and all according to mr.Stahl, would be sort of parallel and entangled within the next update as a bonus to the KDF on what we've been missing, while the next content be made usable by all and Romulan-centric.
I think he means Klingons running around on New Romulus (S7), using Federation Tricorders to scan water samples and Federation Phasers to repair shuttles etc. even though the Klingons and Romulans should actualy be at each others' throats.
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# 20
03-18-2013, 08:13 AM
I for one would definitely play them, I love Romulans and they are my favorite race. I would still continue playing Both Federation and KDF as well though.

More characters are always fun to me even though a lot of people claim they are hard and obsolete.
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