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# 51
03-20-2013, 01:05 PM
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Would like to see more costume options, but development seems to be led by profit potential and I guess costumes aren't big earners.
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It seems Cryptic would rather have none of my money than some of it - seems odd but who am I to question?
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# 52
03-20-2013, 01:59 PM
I think the problem is where a finite amount of dev/artist hour will go to yield the highest profit. So, I guess, for that finite payroll, they prefer to make an andorian ship that will sell like mad over a time costly costume that may not sale so well...

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# 53
03-20-2013, 03:21 PM
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I think the problem is where a finite amount of dev/artist hour will go to yield the highest profit. So, I guess, for that finite payroll, they prefer to make an andorian ship that will sell like mad over a time costly costume that may not sale so well...
I can see their position. However, that doesn't change the fact that alot of us are out of things to buy. I haven't spent a dime on Cryptic in almost six month because I have nothing to spend it on.

I'm not going to waste it on Federation stuff because my UFP captains on job these days is to turn over contraband. Seriously, he only leaves the Security Officers side long enough to get more from my Klingon characters.
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# 54
03-20-2013, 05:41 PM
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I think the problem is where a finite amount of dev/artist hour will go to yield the highest profit. So, I guess, for that finite payroll, they prefer to make an andorian ship that will sell like mad over a time costly costume that may not sale so well...
Wasnt Dstahl recently quoted as basically saying Sto was financialy stable and had grown in devs in some areas?
It cant be that finite anymore to continue treating the KDF potential revenue source as they have, second fiddle or not.
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# 55
03-20-2013, 06:00 PM
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Wasnt Dstahl recently quoted as basically saying Sto was financialy stable and had grown in devs in some areas?
This isnt charity.

Even if they are it does not mean they start flushing money down the toilet, if someone was proven unprofitable before does not mean "hey guys, we have money so lets do that unprofitable thing again".

Ultimate things that are done are done because there is a demand for them, even if KDF shipyard is starting to get behind it does not mean its at a critical point, I would like to see some new designs but NOT another Battlecruiser (because it would not sell thanks to Fleet Vorcha) and its been very clear the only thing the KDF players seem to be interested is in either a OP ship or Yet Another Turn Rate 12+ DHC ship.

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It cant be that finite anymore to continue treating the KDF potential revenue source as they have, second fiddle or not.
Well KDF continue to be non-customers, the Bortas didnt sell (reasons I pointed above) and the Kamarag also doesnt seem to be selling either (even if in this case I blame Cryptic from trying to have their cake and eat it too) leaving us with what? Raptors?

And if they made a new Raptor we all know the usual complains if its not a copy of the Defiant or better.

KDF have a excellent line of ships ... that ARE free ships, its hard to sell Zen Shop ships when all you need is a B'rel, a Fleet Vorcha and a Vo'quv.
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# 56
03-20-2013, 06:37 PM
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This isnt charity.

Even if they are it does not mean they start flushing money down the toilet, if someone was proven unprofitable before does not mean "hey guys, we have money so lets do that unprofitable thing again".
Building a healthy two faction games isn't about charity, it's a simple topic, which is "do you ever want cheap and mindless repeatable content players will play ad nauseum to make sense in your game? In other words, do you want pvp"? PvP is the cheapest endgame content devs can do. Actually most of the games use that as a decoy target so that players keep doing their pvp stull with a limited team to just maintain the game.

If they don't do the KDF with equal content and equal store stuff, there's no way pvp can grow. Which means no cheap to maintain game with very little updates at some point.

A PvP centric game is an editor's dream. It's really the most efficient stuff you can do. The cost is ridiculously low and you can almost stop all development once it's shipped out. Of course you don't stop releasing store stuff but that's also all you do. Cryptic doesn't want to finish the KDF for the sake of the faction, they want that holy grail.


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Well KDF continue to be non-customers, the Bortas didnt sell (reasons I pointed above) and the Kamarag also doesnt seem to be selling either (even if in this case I blame Cryptic from trying to have their cake and eat it too) leaving us with what? Raptors?
The bortasqu was crap, I hope it was a good lesson.

Now let's get some really good escorts. Not raiders. Just escorts.

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# 57
03-20-2013, 06:41 PM
I didnt mention charity at all. The loyal klingon fanbase has become non-profitable over time in Sto thanks to poor condotions of cryptic overtime and imo bad choices.
We are not slow to pay to play in a game we obviously stick with becuase we are cheap or even thrifty by nature but because we have learned overntime that our precense in sto is not completly apreciated even if we are fans in the IP willing to spend money.
Its time that changes.
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# 58
03-20-2013, 06:49 PM
I could likely pass on actuall new ships, though having a KDF equivelent to the Kumari would be kinda nice. What I would like is to see some new ship SKINS! new art, same old stats. We could still use a KLINGON science ship class..likely more "combat oriented then the feds (take a K't'inga, give it 4 fwd, 2 aft weapons, mounts cannon, 3eng, 3 sci, 3 tac. Ltc TAC, LtC ENG, Lt ENG, Cmdr SCI, LT or Ens SCI, shield at 1.2 the Fleet K't'inga turn 12 or 13, call it good. give it the tier-3 ktinga hull points. as its going to have better manuverability the fed science ships.

As for how well or not STO is doing, and how well or not KDF oriented sales are doing, honestly the numbers/metrics mean a whole lot of nothing. Considering how tiny a portion of the user base dedicated KDF players that will spend money is, its a wonder they make any money at all off the KDF at this point in time. Do things to bring up the number. Put things in the C-store the KDF players will buy, and the sales numbers go up. Expences for creating virtual goods are a one time only expence. Eventually you break even, and eventually you make money. But once they are made they don't cost you a single penny more. Other then perhapes a little bit of bandwidth charge as players look at the c-store and mouth breath over them. Right now though there isn't much of anything that dedicated KDF players are spending money on other then fleet ship modules, though it is worth a player while to purchace the lower tier c-store version of a fleet hull.

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# 59
03-20-2013, 06:53 PM
And the people before were in fact discussing KDF uniforms. I have no idea how that got this much detered, but whatever.

If we discuss the uniforms, the point wold be that most of the people that play KDF as a main own the only C-Store uniform availible to the KDF. In the lack of everything in this department, much of them probably own the lobi ones as well.
So saying that, at least anything uniform or off duty related, they take the time to create will sell like crazy would be a safe bet for me.
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# 60
03-20-2013, 07:46 PM
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If we discuss the uniforms, the point wold be that most of the people that play KDF as a main own the only C-Store uniform availible to the KDF. In the lack of everything in this department, much of them probably own the lobi ones as well.
True but there is another problem, the only uniforms we dont have are the TNG/DS9 and then TOS Movies uniforms (that are not really that different from TNG ones).

Other races are worst because Orions that about it we seen, same with Gorn and the rest.

I am not sure if we should have specific character clothing like the ones used by the Duras sisters since they were meant to stand out and be individual from the rest.

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So saying that, at least anything uniform or off duty related, they take the time to create will sell like crazy would be a safe bet for me.
Well there is the Gorn issue bit considering how many 7of9 uniforms I see Fed side I dont think that is a big issue as Cryptic likes to say.

This should open at least the formal and mercenary outfits.

Sucks to be a Gorn? well release the Wild Gorn ... in fact release all those damn Aliens from the KDF, just because Klingons are not Romulans does it mean they accept the multikult.
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