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# 41
03-19-2013, 05:09 PM
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I'll admit this part has always struck me as incongruous.

Sure I can see Starfleet making nice with the Romulans. It's what they do.

But what does the KDF really get out of it?

The rationale we're given in game is that the Klingons are worried that the Federation and the Romulans will unite. So, to prevent the Federation from getting the inside track on an alliance, the Klingon Empire will also lend a helping hand to the Romulans and generate some goodwill of their own.

Sounds reasonable, sure. But it's not the Klingon Way.

"Convince your enemy to like you??? That's your plan???"

Klingons aren't going to simply ignore the fact that they have been on the wrong end of Romulan treachery before, and Klingons are definitely more than capable of holding a grudge. They are, however, also capable of being "sneaky" about being adversarial.

I would expect every interaction with the Romulans to at least allude to the ideas that:

1. The Klingon is always looking for the poison dagger behind the Romulan's back.

2. The Klingon is always looking for a sign of weakness to be exploited.
Yeah, doesn't make much sense, does it?
I thought that it would be far better for the KDF, the Federation - Klingon war as well as the game as a whole if with Season 7 the KDF got the mission to conquer and destroy New Romulus while the Federation would help building and defending it. The potential to make S7 more fun and engaging for both factions was right there the whole time.
Ah, I guess we can only hope that they learn on their mistakes and improve in the future.

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Oh, and for the record and to be on topic with this thread, I'm down for blowing apart Romulan ships as a KDF player. And if it ever does come down to the Romulans as a 3rd faction when it comes down to PVP, alot of the Feds are going to howl. Mark my words on that! You think they complain about Klingon cloaks right now? If things are done right, the Romulans will be far worse. It was the Romulans that developed cloaks to begin with, it was the Romulans that traded that technology to the Klingons, and it is the Romulans that kept on developing more and more advanced versions, i.e. the cloak on the Scimitar.

And I also love it that on New Romulus, the "New Romulan Empire" is handing out cutting edge Romulan military technology (Rep Gear) to their longtime rivals, the Federation, and to their longtime, blood enemies, the Klingons. I know they're desperate, but LOL
Well you know, Feds. are going to howl anyway, but if there is RSE faction I'll be the Feds. guardian angel for the time being, untill there are no Rommies in PvP.
If a Romulan faction comes, I'm really going to give any Feds. a break and focus all my efforts to making PvP the most traumatic experience for the Romulan players. I like playing in character that way.
Especially if I notice the ones that have clearly stated their wish for the KDF to cease existing in STO. Those will curse the day they tried PvP in their new green bird. lol

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# 42
03-20-2013, 12:33 AM
How about this as a plot twist...

Pure speculation...

Relations between the Klingons and Romulans has historically been an on-and-off type of affair for hundreds of years. If I understand the early history (TOS) well enough, Romulans and Klingons had some sort of a alliance.

Now...let's look at the New Generation episode where the Enterprise C ends up in the Future and Tasha Yar goes back in time on it ("Yesterday's Enterprise"). In this episode, the Klingons are at war against the Federation, and the Federation was losing -- badly. Yet...because the Federation meddles with time, the Enterprise C goes back in time and fights at Narendra III, and Tasha Yar gets captured....

Now...switching gears and looking at STO. We have a severely weakened Romulan race -- their empire is for all intents and purposes shattered and in disarray. Sela is the child of Tasha Yar, correct?

What if...the Romulans look at the problems associated with their own government and Empress Sela, and determine that Empress Sela's existence is in fact the ultimate betrayal of Federation meddling in their culture and government? if you look at everything Sela has done within the future history of Star Trek - to both the Federation and Klingons, and the disasters to the Romulan Empire that resulted...the truth is that if the Federation had NOT interfered at Narendra III, then there would have never been a Sela -- and in fact even if it meant war with the Federation as a result, the Romulan Empire would have been strong, united, and powerful in that other alternative history -- perhaps not a shattered wreck, even with the destruction of their homeworld...which ALSO can likely be laid at the feet of the Federation as well (according to the new Star Trek movie, didn't the Federation Council deny Romulas aid...and wasn't Ambassador Spock acting on his own initiative to save the planet from the supernova, which he failed to do???)! This lays the foundation for an anti-Federation movement to pick up steam in what remains of the Romulan Empire...

In terms of honor -- the old-style Romulans (Balance of Terror, TOS) were much closer philosophically to the Klingon concept of warfare than that of the Federation.

What if...the future of STO holds a Romulan-Klingon alliance? Not a third faction, instead, the KDF "faction" becomes a hybrid faction of two equal parts, both opposing the Federation. The Romulans would not be a subject race of the empire...but a co-equal partner in the war against the Federation.

Like I said, just speculation..but it would solve a LOT of the problems with the KDF faction currently. The KDF faction would get a significant influx of new players, content would progress along dual paths -- Klingon and Romulan -- the Romulan ships, which can cloak and which are therefor easily integrated into Klingon fleet tactics, can fill gaps in the KDF lineup.

It would also be the ultimate of situational irony -- most of the excitement and calls for a Romulan faction are on the Fed side, not the KDF side...wouldn't it be ironic if those same Fed players, who really, really, dislike the KDF yet love the idea of a Romulan charactor, would have to join the KDF in order to satisfy that longing?

Once again, just speculation...but fun to consider all the same...
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# 43
03-20-2013, 01:56 AM
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Considering we KDF faction players know from the PT2409 we where at odds with the remnants of the RSE and the federation because of raids to reclaim old systems, I had hoped for a tie under that same storyline.
It would work with the Sto backstory and be a different way of playing.

Instead Im KDF redcross and habitat for Romulanity.
At least in part I didn't actually understand that particular part of The Path to 2409.

2382: "The Klingon Empire takes advantage of the weak position of the Romulans to stage lightning strikes into Romulan space, retaking Khitomer
and the sector surrounding it. The Federation Council criticizes the move, but Ambassador K?mtok responds that the empire is simply
reclaiming territory that belonged to the Klingons by right."

UMMM...based on what we know from TNG, the ROmulans never conquered Khitomer.
They went in, blew s**t up and left.
Otherwise it makes no sense that the Romulans would allow a Starfleet ship to approach Khitomer and conduct a search for survivors IN THE MIDDLE OF AN OCCUPATION.
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# 44
03-20-2013, 04:12 AM
It is that fool of a chancellor on Qo'nos that sends it's warriors to do a diplomat's job! I just do not understand him. He invades my home world, alienates a staunch ally, and then turns around and plays niceties with the Romulan dissidents. I, General Slaas, know the real value on New Romulus. Let the Federation have the Romulans. We do not need their treachery in our ranks. Our goal is the Remans. They are true warriors. They excelled in the Dominion War where the Romulans failed. They built a warship is secrecy that single-handedly defeated the Romulan Navy* and claimed control of the Empire. They are the true prize of our mission there.

J'mpok's recent decisions is the reason that we Gorn will once again rise up and reclaim our ancestral territories from both the Federation and Klingon Empire!!

*I know the Remans had the backing of the Romulan Fleet but, I am playing in character.
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# 45
03-20-2013, 08:21 AM
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It is that fool of a chancellor on Qo'nos that sends it's warriors to do a diplomat's job! I just do not understand him. He invades my home world, alienates a staunch ally, and then turns around and plays niceties with the Romulan dissidents. I, General Slaas, know the real value on New Romulus. Let the Federation have the Romulans. We do not need their treachery in our ranks. Our goal is the Remans. They are true warriors. They excelled in the Dominion War where the Romulans failed. They built a warship is secrecy that single-handedly defeated the Romulan Navy* and claimed control of the Empire. They are the true prize of our mission there.

J'mpok's recent decisions is the reason that we Gorn will once again rise up and reclaim our ancestral territories from both the Federation and Klingon Empire!!

*I know the Remans had the backing of the Romulan Fleet but, I am playing in character.
+100 for this^^^^^^^

Well, for my Gorn self anyway.

My Klingon self disagrees. Partially. My Orion self just wants the loot, slaves, and decadence.

The Romulans problems come from their xenophobic treatment of the Remans. If they had stabbed each other and their subjects in the back less Sela would never have had influence.
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# 46
03-21-2013, 12:16 PM
Sooo....the green pointy-eared little buggers are comming to STO, huh?

Hmmmmm.....

Honor Guard armor.....checked!
Ceremonial Bat'leth.....checked!
War Targ pet pup.....checked!
Honor Guard pulsewave rifle.....checked!
15 scantly-clad Orion slave-girl entertainers.....checked!
30 cases of vintage bloodwine.....checked!
5 cases of ketracell white for the Jem'Hadar Boff.....checked!
.....
Battlecruiser operational!

Prep yourselves up, fellow warriors. The 'Romulan Hunting Season' starts as of May 21!
Much honor and glory awaits!

Long live the Empire! Qapla'!

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# 47
03-22-2013, 03:25 AM
If they can get territorial PvP working and somehow figure out how to get some parity towards faction population balance, a Romulan faction would be fantastic.

None of that will happen however, so it's going to be a disaster for an already struggling Klingon faction that will both lose pilots to the Romulan faction, and be completely ignored by developers who will focus on the new faction and the federation. We'll have 1 full faction and 2 half-assed ones, 1 of which will be completely relegated to obscurity.
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# 48
03-29-2013, 02:48 PM
So, will be sending our Romulan jeghpu'wl' to die on the Federation front against their own kin for the Empire?
Suits them well, those despicable petaQ!

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# 49
03-29-2013, 02:54 PM
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Sooo....the green pointy-eared little buggers are comming to STO, huh?

Hmmmmm.....

Honor Guard armor.....checked!
Ceremonial Bat'leth.....checked!
War Targ pet pup.....checked!
Honor Guard pulsewave rifle.....checked!
15 scantly-clad Orion slave-girl entertainers.....checked!
30 cases of vintage bloodwine.....checked!
5 cases of ketracell white for the Jem'Hadar Boff.....checked!
.....
Battlecruiser operational!

Prep yourselves up, fellow warriors. The 'Romulan Hunting Season' starts as of May 21!
Much honor and glory awaits!

Long live the Empire! Qapla'!
Heh, I'm thinking about how useful my little green guy in his Mogai is gonna be to my KDF fleet with all that gear.

...well minus the bloodwine and orion girls of course.
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# 50
03-30-2013, 08:41 AM
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What if...the future of STO holds a Romulan-Klingon alliance? Not a third faction, instead, the KDF "faction" becomes a hybrid faction of two equal parts, both opposing the Federation. The Romulans would not be a subject race of the empire...but a co-equal partner in the war against the Federation.

Not to self-promote (quote is from a post in this thread I put in a while ago)...but this is looking more and more like a possibility given recent news regarding the Romulan "faction".

It certainly looks like we will be given the opportunity to blow apart those weak Romulans who join the Federation...but in turn, we will likely get the Romulans who follow the way of Empire and Warrior philosophy to partner with our side.
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