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# 21
03-21-2013, 08:50 AM
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why is this clown in here trolling the thread? someone delete please.
Really? That's quite the assumption there. I didn't know I was under watch by my forum 'mommy', are you going to spank me now? Please get a life, I was responding to the other guy's post with a smiley (a grin) but i didn't come out right --- >
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# 22
03-21-2013, 12:00 PM
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buisness design of sto is deploreable
and even more deploreable are the non stop complains and b******g about nothing.
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# 23
03-21-2013, 12:43 PM
They keep buffing it indirectly, they're not going to nerf it.

For example the Jem Console that not only grants team APO like movement immunity, but also placate and scramble immunity. Indirect things like Human Boff Space Traits being fixed, but not adjusted/broken in terms of not reducing boosts during combat, give it the option to be virtually immune to subsystem disables. Basically, there's little Sci Debuffs can do to counter it's movement et al.

Just need to decide how much power creep you're willing to use. After awhile it (power creep in general not just Jem) gets boring. Like another poster I've found myself going back to Raiders (from Jem Escort Carrier/KDF Vet ship) and stripping off things like cooldown reduction doffs out of boredom.
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# 24
03-22-2013, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by adrianm63 View Post
and even more deploreable are the non stop complains and b******g about nothing.
This is the only comment that makes sense.
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# 25
03-22-2013, 06:47 AM
I think and hope it will be nerfed. I am a mediocre escort pilot. I can usually dominate pugs in my jem ship. Yes you can kill it. BUT I find it very hard with a good pilot.

I have some fleet mates that destroy everything in that ship. Its truly evil.
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# 26
03-22-2013, 08:58 AM
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I think and hope it will be nerfed. I am a mediocre escort pilot. I can usually dominate pugs in my jem ship. Yes you can kill it. BUT I find it very hard with a good pilot.

I have some fleet mates that destroy everything in that ship. Its truly evil.
If they nerf the JHAS, then how will it be any different to the Fleet Defiant or the Fl. MVAE?

And if they do, then by [deity] they had better start dishing out a few Andorian, F. Defiant, Fl. MVAE, Steamrunner, Armitage escorts on the KDF side. Because with these ships in the game, the JHAS for the KDF is a necessity not a luxury.

The Holy Trinity of ships exists Fedside only.

Do I enjoy flying non-factional ships. Absolutely not. Do I have a choice? No. Not if I want to be even remotely competitive.

I don't have to tell you what the Andorian escort, a Fl. Defiant and a Sci Fl. MVAE are capable of doing together. I've seen it firsthand.

There's your problem.

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# 27
03-22-2013, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sgtciscoinsa View Post
I think and hope it will be nerfed. I am a mediocre escort pilot. I can usually dominate pugs in my jem ship. Yes you can kill it. BUT I find it very hard with a good pilot.

I have some fleet mates that destroy everything in that ship. Its truly evil.
Since the JHAS has been out a while now, I dont think that will ever happen..what will happen though is power creep will bring other ships up to the JHAS. Really, some fleet ships are nice and cryptic always seems to surprise us all witn more powerful ships. Last year the JHAS was waaaayyyy op, but now its just a little op.


anyways, thats just what I believe
*gets back into my fleet MVAE*
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# 28
03-22-2013, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by p2wsucks View Post
They keep buffing it indirectly, they're not going to nerf it.

For example the Jem Console that not only grants team APO like movement immunity, but also placate and scramble immunity. Indirect things like Human Boff Space Traits being fixed, but not adjusted/broken in terms of not reducing boosts during combat, give it the option to be virtually immune to subsystem disables. Basically, there's little Sci Debuffs can do to counter it's movement et al.

Just need to decide how much power creep you're willing to use. After awhile it (power creep in general not just Jem) gets boring. Like another poster I've found myself going back to Raiders (from Jem Escort Carrier/KDF Vet ship) and stripping off things like cooldown reduction doffs out of boredom.
The thing with all of these Jem'Hadar consoles, is that there isn't a whole lot of console space on Jem'Hadar Attack Ships.

If you were to use both of the Jem'Hadar consoles, that would take up two consoles out of the five engineering/science console slots available. Throw in the Zero Point Energy Conduit, Tachyokinetic Converter, and Assimilated Module, and you miss out on other consoles out on other useful passive consoles. If you use tactical console space, you weaken your damage output.

As someone who does not have a JHAS, I do not find them that OP at all. Of course, I would love to have the turn rate and hull (or even a better BOFF layout), but I hold my own against them.
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# 29
03-22-2013, 09:51 AM
The point is not that the JHAS is some kind of 'super ship', the point is that it is, by far, the best escort. And that is wrong, because there should be reasons to fly a variety of escorts.

I DO own one, and I think it is OP. To nerf it into line, you could either change one thing (turn rate), or make it have weaker hull and shields (which is more canon.)

Note that I'm NOT saying I'm unkillable in my bug, far from it. Just that if I could put one on every character, I would.
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# 30
03-22-2013, 10:00 AM
you guys are missing the entire point.. every good JHAS pilot can do the same in a fleet defiant... you are asking for the wrong thing. You need to ask cryptic to nerf skill and player IQ when using the JHAS or any other ship. That will fix everything! Or perhaps, a more mutual solution would be that you think a little harder about your builds.

Why don't you go and talk to tatum in ker'rat. He is a very good intrepid science captain who does very well against bugs. It can be done.. you just don't want to use an extra brain cell or two.
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