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# 1 So the latest atrocity in pvp
03-26-2013, 02:22 PM
So I saw a cruser with elite fleet shields, I guess reputation system and Epts3.

Average dps on him was like 50-75
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# 2
03-26-2013, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by zorandra View Post
So I saw a cruser with elite fleet shields, I guess reputation system and Epts3.

Average dps on him was like 50-75
I'm going to do this with my Tac/Excelsior.

Maybe since I'm a Tac, it'll make my DPS 100!
The first we heard of getting new PvP maps "soon" was in August of 2010. We're consistently told something will be coming with the "next" update. Absolutely nothing has come to PvP since launch.

I think it's finally time Cryptic stopped stringing us along, don't you?
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# 3
03-26-2013, 02:34 PM
edit: Totally misread that. Thought it said from him rather than on him.

That being said, I've wondered how the EF Disruptor's SDR debuff worked in regard to SDR.

@125 Aux/125 Shield (yes, there's help from a friend for the ExS3):

Shield Power 35%
EPtS3 30%
RSF 38.6%
TSS3 22.5%
ExS3 42.5%
ResA/B 15%
Adapt 20%

1-((1-0.35)*(1-0.30)*(1-0.386)*(1-0.225)*(1-0.425)*(1-0.15)*(1-0.20))
1-(0.65*0.70*0.614*0.775*0.575*0.85*0.80)
1-0.08465609425
91.53% or so...but there is a 75% cap, no?

Is that +16.53% a SDR overcap buffer? Does it still exist even though it is not applied?

If there is overcap buffer and the EF Disruptor SDR debuff hits, what is the new SDR?

75% - 25% + 16.53% = 66.53%

Or is there no overcap considered?

75% - 25% = 50%

Or is it a case that the SDR debuff is calculated during the normal SDR calculation?

1-(0.65*0.70*0.614*0.775*0.575*0.85*0.80*1.25)
1-0.1058201178125
89.42% or so...keeping the 75% cap in mind.

Basically a case that the EF Disruptor SDR debuff would have no effect on that particular person since they were already over the cap anyway?

Which would be the new number after the SDR debuff proc?
50%?
66.53%?
75%?
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# 4
03-26-2013, 02:42 PM
The E fleet shields are still really stupid.

I also really hate having to carry a spare set of weapons around in my inv all the time.
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# 5
03-26-2013, 02:59 PM
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So I saw a cruser with elite fleet shields, I guess reputation system and Epts3.

Average dps on him was like 50-75
Only way to get that kinda ship down is a spike bop. Sad but true

Still, ask yourself though, is it realy a shame you cannot take down a fleet shield user with EPTS3 and maxed resist? They are pretty much useless or less viable in any 5v5 team premade. Its nice to show off your extended epeen because you cant killed, but thats all tho.

Its kerrat play lol

Last edited by darkfader1988; 03-26-2013 at 03:02 PM.
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# 6
03-26-2013, 04:39 PM
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Only way to get that kinda ship down is a spike bop. Sad but true

Still, ask yourself though, is it realy a shame you cannot take down a fleet shield user with EPTS3 and maxed resist? They are pretty much useless or less viable in any 5v5 team premade. Its nice to show off your extended epeen because you cant killed, but thats all tho.

Its kerrat play lol
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# 7
03-26-2013, 05:17 PM
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The E fleet shields are still really stupid.

I also really hate having to carry a spare set of weapons around in my inv all the time.
That's definitely the worst part about them. ResA and ResB modifiers really need to die in a fire. The design mentality behind them is short sighted and the gameplay implications (people constantly switching weapons and shields around in a never ending juggling match) are horrendous. Seems like whomever at Cryptic came up with the idea couldn't be bothered to think things through outside of "Hey, this would be cool!"

Bort, if you're reading this I know you're smart enough to recognize how flawed the thought behind ResA and ResB is. Any chance at all that these modifiers could be changed to something less obviously stupid?

I don't mind the entire stacking resist mechanic though. There's a somewhat deep trade-off there where you make yourself much stronger against pressure damage at the expense of being much weaker against well coordinated spike. That weakness is why a large portion of the guys in Pandas are now using KHG/Adapted MACO shields -- there's nothing better against spike.
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# 8
03-26-2013, 05:21 PM
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Whomever at Cryptic came up with the idea behind them wasn't thinking properly that day.
Money. Simply money. Probably a Geko thing.

"Is there a way we can get some of the people to spend more money?"
"Sure, some of them will just grind it up - but they hate grinding."
"They'll just buy the Zen to get the Dil."
"Yes, that's it - make them carry two shields and two sets of weapons!"
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# 9
03-26-2013, 05:40 PM
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Meh's pinnacle achievable deeps will get u out of bug and back in defiant fed side! RAWR EPIC SPIKE FTW

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# 10
03-26-2013, 08:55 PM
the resA/B are horably imbal. change them into a cap mod, there is already the reg mod available.
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