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# 11
03-27-2013, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dalnar83 View Post
I think the greatest problem of FvK is that most matches are simply unfun. Back then, when there were no P2W consoles, it was really great, now it's the exact opposite. Can't blame KDF players to use all their toys, but well, they should not be surprised when their queues are dropping.
It may come as a bit of a shock to you, but most KDF who have to Que for a match, don't HAVE those consoles you're ******** about, nor do most of them have all the PvE Rep grind passives and gear YOUR lot are swimming in.

Fact is, most of us only hit the rep system for something to do while waiting on Feds to grow enough of a pair to come out of FvF and fight a match, and when your lot do, they usually come in with more and better console gear than we have. the reason it's not a decisive situation, is that most Feds work together about like a bag of un-neutered tom-cats, which is to say, not at all.

The ones that DO, of course, come in pugmade and premade forms, but aren't afraid to que against the big-bad-ole-klinks with their big-bad-ole-consoles (that only a few actually HAVE.)

This generally works out to the best of the Fed players against the average-up-and-coming Klink players, which tends to raise the average of the Klinks in terms of relative skill just in order to survive a que'd match.

Further, the "Universal console gap" is a JOKE-feds are increasingly showing up in ships that have it (both faction specific, AND lockbox), but without the sacrifices. KDF Bird of Prey comes with (at most) seating for FOUR Bridge officers, typically a FedScort seats quite a bit more, with more consoles, hull, and shields, and near-parity turn rates with a decent build.

not a "GOOD build", but a "Decent" build.
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# 12
03-27-2013, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
Best Shield Punch: KDF
Best Power Drain: KDF
Best Value Cheese: KDF
Best Ships: Fed (well, non faction are - but if you're comparing Fed vs. KDF)
Fleet defiant's decloaking alfa and /or the new kumari shield stripping overload hit are in my opinion the the best shield punchers in this moment.

Best value Cheese :except aceton's ( i don't have them btw) and leech,all other consoles are available to federation at a much lower price.On kdf side you have to buy a c-store ship for a console ,as fed you can buy it from exchange very cheap.

Best power drain :here it is again the comparison between siphon drones and danubes.Which are worse ? Hard to tell.Both will stop you and wreck your play.

About the ship I agree that kdf would need some better punching ships than it has now.That is one of the reasons that most of PVP is done in lockboxes in this moment.(Best "raptor" =fleet defiant ,Best c-store sci =vesta ,Best c-store hec =armitage)
KDF battlecruiser's are nice and are considered better than federation counterpart.(I don't know,I didn't use them)
Bops are nice but you have to use a hit and run tactic with them and I personaly dislike this strategy.The veteran destroyer is a good ship but you have to pay a LTS for flying it.
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Last edited by dova25; 03-27-2013 at 01:12 AM.
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# 13
03-27-2013, 01:11 AM
the last thing science needs is another nerf
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# 14
03-27-2013, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
It may come as a bit of a shock to you, but most KDF who have to Que for a match, don't HAVE those consoles you're ******** about, nor do most of them have all the PvE Rep grind passives and gear YOUR lot are swimming in.

Fact is, most of us only hit the rep system for something to do while waiting on Feds to grow enough of a pair to come out of FvF and fight a match, and when your lot do, they usually come in with more and better console gear than we have. the reason it's not a decisive situation, is that most Feds work together about like a bag of un-neutered tom-cats, which is to say, not at all.

The ones that DO, of course, come in pugmade and premade forms, but aren't afraid to que against the big-bad-ole-klinks with their big-bad-ole-consoles (that only a few actually HAVE.)

This generally works out to the best of the Fed players against the average-up-and-coming Klink players, which tends to raise the average of the Klinks in terms of relative skill just in order to survive a que'd match.

Further, the "Universal console gap" is a JOKE-feds are increasingly showing up in ships that have it (both faction specific, AND lockbox), but without the sacrifices. KDF Bird of Prey comes with (at most) seating for FOUR Bridge officers, typically a FedScort seats quite a bit more, with more consoles, hull, and shields, and near-parity turn rates with a decent build.

not a "GOOD build", but a "Decent" build.
I think you are missing the point of my post. I'm not saying someone is better/worse or OP/not OP. Just that FvK matches are unfun, compared to what they have been 2 years ago. And when I blame P2W consoles, I generally blame both sides.
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# 15
03-27-2013, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dova25 View Post
Fleet defiant's decloaking alfa and /or the new kumari shield stripping overload hit are in my opinion the the best shield punchers in this moment.

Best value Cheese :except aceton's ( i don't have them btw) and leech,all other consoles are available to federation at a much lower price.On kdf side you have to buy a c-store ship for a console ,as fed you can buy it from exchange very cheap.

Best power drain :here it is again the comparison between siphon drones and danubes.Which are worse ? Hard to tell.Both will stop you and wreck your play.

About the ship I agree that kdf would need some better punching ships than it has now.That is one of the reasons that most of PVP is done in lockboxes in this moment.(Best "raptor" =fleet defiant ,Best c-store sci =vesta ,Best c-store hec =armitage)
KDF battlecruiser's are nice and are considered better than federation counterpart.(I don't know,I didn't use them)
Bops are nice but you have to use a hit and run tactic with them and I personaly dislike this strategy.The veteran destroyer is a good ship but you have to pay a LTS for flying it.
Vet destroyer: I have an LTS (yeah, I got stupid...) and I have one on one toon-and it sits in drydock with the Qin raptor one of my other toons tried out, and the Vor'cha my Engie levelled from 40 to 50 in.

Comparing a Vor'cha to a Fed Assault Cruiser: yep, better turn rate, dual heavy cannons..
not enough tac slots to make use of them, and crippled compared to the Assault Cruiser in terms of survivability, and crippled vs. a FedScort in terms of manueverability and ability to apply damage in a directed fashion.

That said, it's nice in PvE, but when I determined that PvE was getting dull, I went and ground the Dil. and bought me a Hegh'ta instead-because it has turn-rate and I can use funny tactics with it, whereas the Vor'cha was basically just a cube/probe killer and Kang or Portal guard.
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# 16
03-27-2013, 04:13 AM
The biggest problem with fvk is the Feds can't pug!!

I spent a lot of zen in my fed days before I made Klingon characters and left it behind

Reason for leaving behind - Feds don't PVP at the times I do well the ones who know how to actually build a half decent ship

The Feds role in with their oddys hitting you with plasma beams lolz and antimatter spreads with graviton pulses and once you've laughed that off they pop

Partly down to the fact their simple inexperienced and the rest of their team are Afkers and leachers

Not saying all Feds are like this because there are good players out there but I'm yet to find a set of them Who can work in tandom with each other like the empire
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# 17
03-27-2013, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
Further, the "Universal console gap" is a JOKE-feds are increasingly showing up in ships that have it (both faction specific, AND lockbox), but without the sacrifices. KDF Bird of Prey comes with (at most) seating for FOUR Bridge officers, typically a FedScort seats quite a bit more, with more consoles, hull, and shields, and near-parity turn rates with a decent build.

not a "GOOD build", but a "Decent" build.
Gonna call bull**** here.

The only thing that a Bird of Prey is missing in terms of BOff slots is the Ensign; total console slots are identical in number, and there is a significant turn rate advantage. I think I also forgot to mention how all of it's BOff slots are universal... point is, the Bird of Prey is its own kind of ship, and should not be compared to Federation escorts. Both work very differently from each other.

Also gonna say that the Feds don't have complete access to what the Klingons have in terms of Universal Consoles (and should stay that way). But I must note just how restrictive or how subpar a lot of Federation Universal Consoles are, and that Klingons have access to the most useful ones on the Federation side.

That being said, I don't like to play the game of petty rivalry between the KDF and Starfleet. I'll say this much though: KDF may suffer from neglect, but at least their captains aren't forced into playing second fiddle to one category of ship.
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# 18
03-27-2013, 04:35 AM
wanna know why i don't like fvk as a fed most of the time?
i do like it, but whenever one of the following comes in it's done with the fun for me:
-interceptors (way too fast and effective!)
-acetons
-da leech thing
-(add your fav)
thx.

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# 19
03-27-2013, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by wast33 View Post
wanna know why i don't like fvk as a fed most of the time?
i do like it, but whenever one of the following comes in it's done with the fun for me:
-interceptors (way too fast and effective!)
-acetons
-da leech thing
-(add your fav)
thx.
One of the following - the leech thing

Every Kdf runs one or should be takes from 10 to 20 power from enemy hip depending how flow cap rating is specced

How is that game breaking?

The rest I've never used but the aceton assimilate is easily killed by toros and will only do damage if some nut is spamming bfaw around it the drain is negligible

Kumari 5 fore weapon slots 5 tax consoles insane spike

Danubes easily the most OP pet there is without doubt if used correctly

Graviton beam - 50s of say getting pummelled easily the most rediculious power that has existed on sto(not sure if this is LSD also as I've never used it or seen it but damn its fu%?ing annoying)

Do you think I cry into my pillow if I see one of these being used... no!!! I work around them adapt...
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# 20
03-27-2013, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
One of the following - the leech thing

Every Kdf runs one or should be takes from 10 to 20 power from enemy hip depending how flow cap rating is specced

How is that game breaking?
... can live with that. and if there're 5 klinks running it, i can easiliy die by that ^^...

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The rest I've never used but the aceton assimilate is easily killed by toros and will only do damage if some nut is spamming bfaw around it the drain is negligible
sorry, but disagree here. if only one player is bringing them you may be right. but about 3 players spamming acetons in the heat of a fight... nothing to add... this an experience. nothing less, nothing more.


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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
Kumari 5 fore weapon slots 5 tax consoles insane spike
you just want them too ... ever heard about bops with almost unbreakable cloaks, spamming sci abilities and cluster torps?! (i don't want one of that!) ...


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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
Danubes easily the most OP pet there is without doubt if used correctly
totally disagreeing here. fought advanced danubes and -interceptors several times. danubes are easily countered by several abilities and have a shared cd on their tb.
i never got the impression while attacked by interceptors that they ever stop draining ^^.... also they're much (!) faster than danubes, so it's mostly almost impossible to evade them proper...

Quote:
Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
Graviton beam - 50s of say getting pummelled easily the most rediculious power that has existed on sto(not sure if this is LSD also as I've never used it or seen it but damn its fu%?ing annoying)
...it's the 3set bonus on omega or maco set, right? available to klinks now too, isn't it?!...

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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
Do you think I cry into my pillow if I see one of these being used... no!!! I work around them adapt...
sorry, but when posting my statement i didn't thought of you at all ^^...i did thought about the things that keep me away most of the time from fvk, just what the op asked for.
this has nothing to deal with the ability to adapt or not to adapt (i already killed some klinks ). it's just that those take most of the fun out off fvk for me. thx.

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