Career Officer
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# 71
03-28-2013, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by crimisi View Post
Bieber! /10char
Crimson did you really have to go and sell your account, then'P!
Ensign
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 24
# 72
03-28-2013, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by inosaska View Post
I think the temporal destroyer is far worse and more OP then a bug ship.

EDIT: Both ships are totally retarded and ruin the game. I just hope at some point Cryptic starts to care or I'm going to find another game to play. You can also add Andorian vessels like this game is slowly becoming more and more pay to win in order to achieve anything you need to dump money on it but I don't give in and do that I just quit playing the game.
Totally retarded is to whine about having to pay for a game. You;re free to play whichever game you want, where you'd enjoy happily and freely the work of the developers. I bet no one will miss you so ...sayonara!

I am quite not pleased at the fact that there are no high top quality items/gear in this game. One should be able to get a very rare and also powerful piece of equipment by finishing an ultimate crafting recipe, spending pvp/pve currency or by reward from indeed Elite pve missions (not the joke Elite is presently). I even find it stupid not to give the lifers a very strong ship, like Chimera should have been. They paid for the game, they're lifers, they do deserve something in return.

Even so, one can get any ship in game by simply playing it and exchanging dilithium for credits/zen. JHAS is "OP" as compared to others? Well, it should be and that is why it is pricey on the market. Temporal sci destroyer seems also "OP"? (i find this laughable but oh ...well) It costs 800 lobis. It should be better than any average ship. And the reasoning goes on.
Ensign
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 24
# 73
03-28-2013, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
lol, I'm rather partial to my BoP's, even with their drawbacks, so some of my perspectives can be a little bit biased.

That said, a good DPS cruiser cap in a good team can also make short work of:

Escorts
Sci ships
Other Cruisers.

and do so without the KDF's dual heavy cannons or turn rates. It's all a matter of HOW you go about it-An engie in a Cruiser has some abilities that seem to get short-shrift that work really, really well...
A good DPS cruiser in a good team can make short work of escorts (really?) and sci ships if the people flying the escorts and the sci ships are either completely clueless or in a very bad team.

I run some specific sci ship builds where i can top the damage even against bug ships and with net, not raw damage. Does that make me the most effective or uber guy in the team? No. This game is much more than showing off the numbers at the end of the match.
Commander
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 336
# 74
03-28-2013, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
dude, I fly a Bird of Prey. on all 4 toons (well, 3 1/2 toons, my sci has an alternate ride because in Hive Onslaught (elite) carriers are nice to have as a Sci).

Wanna talk about needing an upgrade to the stat-line? I can seat FOUR bridge officers. That's all I can seat, period, I have the worst hull and shield mods in the game, fewest item locations, and only six weapons total, with only ONE bird of prey version that can carry more than 3 tac consoles-total.

Yes, I have Battlecloak, which is nice, it isn't, however, a cure-all-every mine in the battlespace sees me cloaked and that damage goes straight to hull, which is lower than your LOWEST Escort. in 3 of 4 BoPs, I can't even FIRE while cloaked, and the B'rel's got this tiny crew which means that hull damage gets a LOT harder to repair, real-bloody-fast.

A well-set cruiser can create several situations where I lose cloak, without gaining shields, such as a properly timed EWP, and I don't have nearly the space for buffs/clears/Debuffs even a BAD Fedcruiser carries.

Most cruiser caps who are any good, can survive a decloak-alpha, but that decloaking bird can't survive a well timed Cruiser's alpha, even if he/she is only running beams, cannons and turrets.

SINGLE cannons.

There are whole threads dedicated to making DPS cruisers that can (and do, in a good team) spank the stuffing out of Tac-in-a-BoP.

of course, to DO that, your team has to have a modicum of Teamwork, which, thankfully, most Fed players don't have and most KDF players DO...
Oh yes, I suppose the loss of that one ensign slot must be so crippling. Having one less rear slot for a turret? Unacceptable! I am also shocked at the notion that a ship could have any less than 3 tactical console slots. Shame!

Only area I can agree with is that hull and shielding are too low, and that one of them could use a buff. At least the bird of prey doesn't look bad in comparison to other things, chiefly because it is capable of doing things other ships cannot.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,492
# 75
03-28-2013, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by cichicichi View Post
Totally retarded is to whine about having to pay for a game. You;re free to play whichever game you want, where you'd enjoy happily and freely the work of the developers. I bet no one will miss you so ...sayonara!

I am quite not pleased at the fact that there are no high top quality items/gear in this game. One should be able to get a very rare and also powerful piece of equipment by finishing an ultimate crafting recipe, spending pvp/pve currency or by reward from indeed Elite pve missions (not the joke Elite is presently). I even find it stupid not to give the lifers a very strong ship, like Chimera should have been. They paid for the game, they're lifers, they do deserve something in return.

Even so, one can get any ship in game by simply playing it and exchanging dilithium for credits/zen. JHAS is "OP" as compared to others? Well, it should be and that is why it is pricey on the market. Temporal sci destroyer seems also "OP"? (i find this laughable but oh ...well) It costs 800 lobis. It should be better than any average ship. And the reasoning goes on.
Elite Fleet shields/KDF Fleet weapons aren't "high top quality items"? Very rare Doffs that come from $ packs aren't OP by design? At least you admit there are ships that are OP by design.

F2P or not steep power creep is bad for the game. Little if any mgt concern is given to balance and most of the Dev time is spent on creating the next OP power creep item and the means to obtain said items. The power creep also discourages new PvPers since they start w/such a large handicap in matches. New players pick up bad habits by not learning core gameplay mechanics b/c there is so much power creep (that and PvE generally is very easy).

Fyi, the KDF Vet ship is a very good ship. The Fed version isn't bad, but Fedside generates more revenue so it has been surpassed by the Fedside power creep. This is another issue, the imbalance between factions in terms of power creep.

Exactly, how is this a fun paradigm?
Lieutenant
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 39
# 76
03-28-2013, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ussenterpisez View Post
Crimson did you really have to go and sell your account, then'P!
Shhh that brakes some eula or something Yeah, I needed the money more than the game. Besides, exactly what have they done or added for pvp since I have been gone?

New toys in my book does not equal content. I may venture in when they add Romulans and that's a big maybe. I find it more enjoyable reading the forums than playing the game.
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# 77
03-28-2013, 10:05 PM
The QQ is strong in this thread; tears flow quite freely here. Yes... yes. This is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... This Land.
Career Officer
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# 78
03-29-2013, 08:37 AM
Dbl post...
Hear! Sons of Kahless
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
Career Officer
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Posts: 574
# 79
03-29-2013, 08:38 AM
Most ppl on this thread speak the same language with different nuances. Some use op, some use superior. And big is one of them without a doubt. It's not unkillable, it "only" has a great turn and impulse mod. Everything else is not so relevant. And it's effing ugly... But definitely not boring. Maybe only after killing a lot of pugs... But similar skills 1-1 pvp with another bug, true adrenaline.
Hear! Sons of Kahless
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
Career Officer
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# 80
03-29-2013, 03:41 PM
Nerf all cruisers!! When 3 pure, highly experienced pvper veteran tacs cannot take down a cruiser, something is wrong! (p.s. all three were bugs).

NERF CRUISERS!!!!
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