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# 371
03-28-2013, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kimmym View Post
Well, figures.

I was all set to have a dinner date with my log parser and beams of every color and size and test builds all night long... but...

Seems there is a new bug with the Ody and every time I sep it lags out. I have other cruisers but none near as versitile so deep testing becomes meh at best.

Soon(tm)
I used the Dkora, since it can equip DHCs, and has most of the same Boff and stats of the fleet assault cruiser refit. In battle mode it turns a bit better than the fleet excel but not a whole lot.

Rainbow boats don't do that badly really, 10-15% difference in DPS. The negative stigma is that people who use them are just hopeless as players in general.
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# 372
03-28-2013, 03:16 PM
You misunderstood, I wont be running a rainbow, I will be comprehensively testing and switching out energy types to avoid missing anything relevant.

I already know rainbowing is sub-optimal, I don't need to test that.

And to be more specific, as far as energy is concered, I want to see how energy type effects the results, because who knows, maybe the secret is crit interaction with AP, or stacking plasma to the sky, or however unlikely something to do wtih tet procs or or or...

I have my assumptions, but why assume when you can parse?
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# 373
03-28-2013, 04:36 PM
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Actually some of us have posted them.

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=583401
Which one are you talking about? Those are just regular postings, I've been on that sub since its begining. The ones I saw that claim to do about 7-8k or so tended to have cannons (including my cannon/turret Excel'), spiral wave weaps' (not easy to equip unless you have a Galor) and such. Give us an exact example of what you are talking about please.

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# 374
03-28-2013, 05:26 PM
That is my experience, with tacs pulling ahead a bit. I should have rolled tac... but I'm so invested in my sci...

Cannons get you numbers like those. Beams I'm lucky to hit 4.5k, on a good day, with other people helping me stack AP:B. Typically less.

I don't know about DBB, honestly I don't really mess with them much out side of 1 for BO or SST in the proper builds. Single cannons worked so well and my preliminary test with DBB so poor I just said screw it IDC.
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# 375
03-28-2013, 09:19 PM
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That is exactly what I have been asking for, yet those who claim to have the right set-up never seem to post it. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by whamhammer1 View Post
Which one are you talking about? Those are just regular postings, I've been on that sub since its begining. The ones I saw that claim to do about 7-8k or so tended to have cannons (including my cannon/turret Excel'), spiral wave weaps' (not easy to equip unless you have a Galor) and such. Give us an exact example of what you are talking about please.

You stated that those who claim to have the right set-up never seem to post it. I showed a topic that did. In that post, Heretic called out for those that claim their cruiser builds CAN do insane damage, to post their builds. There are posts in that topic which are not what Heretic asked for, as far as high dps builds for cruisers, there are others that do. Yes I did post my tank build in there and posted the dps I received with it. I am not referencing my own build, as it would be seen as being biased. Unfortunately most of the posts in that topic did not list the dps they received with said build (including your own), so testing would be required before adopting them on a regular basis. To be honest, any build should be tested before settling on it, as individual playstyle can alter the effectiveness of a build.

The new Fleet Weapons are equal in stats to the Spiral Wave Disruptors. Now, these aren't exact numbers, but the Spirals have a damage listed (for me, ingame, unequipped) as 237 and the new Fleet Weapons have a damage listed as 240. Both have the Accx2 and Damagex2 modifiers. I have not switched over to the new Fleet Weapons, as the cost of dilithium for that 3 points of extra damage isn't worth it to me.

Did I have success with my Spirals? Yes I did. But I also posted that I had received similar DPS results using Romulan Plasma Beam Arrays which had the Acc and CrtH modifiers, while using the same build. Granted, while using the Romulan Beam Arrays, I had switched my Tactical Consoles from Disruptor based to Plasma based; so I did modify the build somewhat. The point is that the weapons could be swapped out to another type (and with some other mods) and see similar results by another player.
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# 376
03-29-2013, 06:48 AM
I cannot speak for Whamhammer1, but we seem to be having the same ponderance.

I test builds for fun. I run something, parse, change something, run something, parse, change something, et cetera ad infinitum.

For every beam build I try, I have then been able to replace the beams with single cannons and turrets and out perform it by a significant margin.

I'm not saying that there are no viable beam builds. Runs are completed with beam boats every day. I'm saying that in my experience, if you give me a beam build, I can give you the corresponding cannon build that will significantly out perform it.

I'm also not foolish enough to believe that I have all the answers, which is why I keep saying, "Where are the good beam builds?" I'm not being snarky, I want the build! I really do!
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# 377
03-29-2013, 06:57 AM
If you ever want to parse my eng beam boat in a STF then PM me, I'm generally not happy with 8k results. One thing I notice is it does take some time to make the mental switch from beams to cannons and back, its a different play style.
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# 378
03-29-2013, 07:13 AM
That could well be my issue. Once this ody bug is taken care of I'll actually dedicate some time to flying as a beam boat, instead of just trying to parse them. Actually walk a mile in the shoes.

Thanks for the idea.

Edit: Things are still very preliminary, I'm not running any group content until this saucer sep trolling is taken care of, but I have some early results that surprised me.

While my single target DPS is pretty abysmal, my multi target DPS is pretty good. Peaking up at 7.5k, and this is without refinements, just the "toss some gear, pick a build, kill some junk mobs"

It could be simply that I've been attempting to use beams in the wrong applications all this time. I seriously hoped that this was the case. Again, these results are preliminary at best, but I must say I have gone from skepticism to optimism.
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# 379
03-29-2013, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by travelingmaster View Post
If you devote more boff ability slots to outgoing healing abilities, that's less slots you have available to boost your own attack abilities. That's what I was thinking of when I said that, anyhow.

For example, you might have to sacrifice an EptW skill to make room for an ES or ET skill to support teammates. That's a reduction in firepower in exchange for healing.

That's also why I said they're more suited for self-healing. . .because that way, they're ensuring they stay in the fight long enough to use their firepower effectively.

As for 'crying foul' over Federation advantages. . .my personal perspective on it is this: I'm fine with each faction having their own strengths and weaknesses. I prefer it that way, it makes the factions different in more ways. However, I do not know if Cryptic follows that same logic (and, from what I've seen, they probably don't), and I also keep seeing Federation players demand KDF exclusives. My thinking is this: If the Federation want battlecruisers, they should simultaneously be pushing to give the KDF a dedicated and effective science ship line. If they want something cool that's KDF, they need to be willing to give up something of theirs that's cool. This hasn't been the case, as the Federation has gotten a few concepts from the KDF without any exchange at all (again, the most prominent example would be the carriers).

As for the Federation cruisers being 'less flexible'. . .I don't really care, ultimately. Most of the folks loudly complaining about that are the ones trying to fly them as something they're not meant to be. They're supposed to be support healers and whatnot. If they're 'less performing' than battlecruisers or carriers, then so be it. The KDF has the advantage in those particular classes, it should stay that way until the Federation is willing to give up a few of its advantages to the KDF (such as the stronger escorts and the science ship line).
I don't want battlecruisers and could care less about have DHC on cruisers. There are players out there who want cruisers to do as much damage as battlecruisers can, but I'm not one of them.

You're still crying foul over perceived advantages anyhow. It's not an entirely invalid point but it is tiresome. The issue does not have anything to do about giving advantages to one faction over the other, but rather that Cryptic has spent less time and resources on developing Klingon content. Ideally, they should develop said content in roughly equal parallel to Federation content or release Klingon content with equal frequency, but have neglected to do so. This is one reason why the parity between KDF Raptors and SF Escorts is so very much apparent.

The same problem can be seen with Federation cruisers, to some extent, but is rather more worrisome (to me) in that they are being displaced by other vessels in their own faction.
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# 380
03-29-2013, 11:54 AM
There should be a beam Boff ability that rapid fires on 1 target. FAW scatters your attack, BO only fires from 1 array and drains your power so your next volley does as much damage as throwing popcorn at your screen. If there was say a Beam spread on target boff then all your beams would cycle(similar to a FAW but maybe more volleys) but on a single target.

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