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# 101
03-29-2013, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tachyonharmonic View Post
This is such a let-down.

They tout Romulans having their own storyline, but really you will just graft on to one of the other factions. There will only be FED-Roms or KDF-Roms, no real Romulans, whether they've got unique missions or not.

Leave it to Cryptic to destroy what the Federation, the Klingons, and even the Dominion could not; one of the most beloved factions of Star Trek lore.

I guess it's my fault for hoping they'd do the right thing instead of half-measure it.
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Okay, I've just read the latest Ask Cryptic (March/Legacy of Romulus) and in truth, I'm 50/50 on it. When I heard (and saw) the Romulans were coming, I was excited, I was pleased; finally our prayers had been answered. Then came a couple of details that I wasn't too pleased about.

I'm only covering the questions (and answers) that I find to be in contradiction of others, or that I wish to state an opinion on. Those I've not quoted are either because they're fine with me, or they're unrelated to the May Update.

Lets analyze:

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Q: (kekvin) What races (species) will be in the Romulan faction?

Dstahl: At the launch of Legacy of Romulus there will be Romulans, Remans, and Alien-Gen hybrids. Reman species are an account unlocked reward that will be added to the New Romulus Reputation or available for purchase. Alien-Gen hybrids may only be created by Subscribers or Lifetime members. In the future we will be adding more species to the Romulan faction.
So, basically, unless we've paid (or are paying) to play this game, we're limited to Romulans at the start. No Reman, and none of these Hybrids.

I at least expected Remans playable at the start.

#1
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Q: (midniteshadow7) Will the Romulan Faction have their own Fleet System, Starbase, and Holdings? Will there be any new Fleet Holdings?

Dstahl: During one of the episodes in the Romulan Republic storyline, the Federation and Klingon Defense Force will challenge Romulan captains to choose sides in the Federation-Klingon War. This permanent and personal choice forges a very important alliance. Once this decision is made, individual Romulan captains will gain many benefits through their alliance, all the while remaining their own independent faction. Romulans still continue their own independent mission journal and storyline after this choice, remaining neutral within the Romulan faction, but the choice has an impact on their progression towards end-game.
I think you missed out on a very important chance to do something new here.

Federation & Klingons ~ they're at war. They've got Starbases in ETA Erandi. The Romulans are not at war with anyone, but could have benefited from a similar system. It was mentioned on another thread somewhere that their 'starbase' should be on a planet instead, thus you'd have a similar setup (for the rewards and like) but it would be more a neutral location. It would have served a perfect purpose too.

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Q: (midniteshadow7) Will the Romulan Faction have their own Fleet System, Starbase, and Holdings? Will there be any new Fleet Holdings?

Dstahl: In many ways, Romulans will have the best of two "worlds" ? theirs and their ally?s. Not only do they have their own exclusive stories, ships, and costumes, but they gain many benefits of their ally. This includes access to a variety of their allies? ships, rewards, and hubs. While Romulans can?t wear the actual uniform of their ally, they do gain unique costume options, such as a Romulan Republic/Klingon Uniform variant, for example. So when a Romulan creates a Fleet, they are creating a Fleet that is open to Romulans of a chosen allegiance as well as members of that allegiance. Vice-a-versa, they?re also free to join existing fleets of their chosen ally.
You're giving Romulans access to Federation and Klingon ships? I can see most of the level 1 - 50 Romulan ships will actually be Federation or Klingon. What chances are there that the Romulans will only have, what, 6 ships of their own?

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Q: (midniteshadow7) Will the Romulan Faction have their own Fleet System, Starbase, and Holdings? Will there be any new Fleet Holdings?

Dstahl: Our goal is to encourage existing Fleets, many of whom have spent countless hours on their Starbases, to stay in business and welcome in New Romulans instead of splintering to go "do it all over again". We want captains to group with Fleet mates who decide to start a Romulan and entice them to ally at end game. This not only works thematically, but it also keeps the conflict focused on the Klingon/Federation War.
I can very much appreciate this, and for what it's worth, it's a good idea. It does beg the question though of whether it should be done.

From the Romulan point of view, half of them are going to be allied with the Federation, and the other half of them are going to be allied with the Klingon Empire. These two sides are at war with each other, and D'Tan has created a new colony so that his Romulans can live in peace. Surely if his Romulans are joining the Federation and Klingon factions, they're going to end up fighting each other? Cause that keeps the spirit of New Romulus in high regard, doesn't it?

*Facepalm

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Q: (lordhavelock) How excited are you to finally be able to talk publically about STO: Legacy of Romulus? Have you lost sleep over not being able to talk about it up until now? And just how free will it be?

Dstahl: As far as how "Free", it will be very similar to our already generous free-to-play philosophy. There will be ships at every level that can be gained for in game currency as well as Dilithium and C-Store ships. Captains will unlock new costumes in-game as they progress through the story as well as have premium costumes that can be purchased in the c-store.
Can I call bull****? The Romulan faction will be based on a generous free-to-play philosophy, yet to start us all off, you're only giving us ONE species to play as. Yes, that's extremely generous of you. It's mentioned in the first reply that further races will become part of the Romulan Republic too, and we all know that your 'later releases' come with a price. Federation came with Liberated Borg, Joined Trill, Klingon and Caitian, and the Klingons came with Joined Trill, Liberated Borg and Ferasan.

It seems obvious to me, that whoever comes to join the Romulan Republic in any future update will require actual money (probably 600 zen, as per most late-addon races).

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Q: (crichtonsr) How have featured episodes been used with the new content for the Romulans and Klingons?

Dstahl: As has been our plan since we introduced the Featured series, these episodes will remain available to any faction, and thus are available to the new Romulan Republic faction.

In order to improve story flow, we?re restructuring when individual series are offered to Romulans and Klingons so that new and returning captains will experience more of the new missions first. The rewards from these series will remain available to all factions as will the special rewards when we have Rerun Events.
Well this gives people absolutely no incentive to play the Reman FE Run. I suppose they'd get a FREE Reman out of it, but even then, we STILL can't customize the guy.

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Q: (stardestroyer001) What kind of adjustments will be made to the structure of PvP, as a third faction is added to the mix?

Dstahl: Since individual Romulan Republic captains will ultimately have to choose sides in the war, PvP will remain two-faction with Romulans alongside their ally. This supports our future goal of using PvP to emphasize the Federation-Klingon War and provides an interesting choice for Romulan captains and existing PvP based Fleets.
This I expected, even though you guys knew that people were pushing for a 3-way PvP between FEDs, KDF & Romulans. You knew what we wanted, yet you didn't do. Great. Wouldn't have been so bad if you at least put this in as an option.

Add to that, yet again we're going to be seeing D'Tans Romulans fighting each other. D'Tan is going to be quite peeved off about this I fear.

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Q: (ooiue) Now that the precedence has been set of you guys adding factions, are there plans to put a playable Dominion/Cardassian faction sometime within the next year or two?

Dstahl: Legacy of Romulus definitely opens up the door to adding new factions in the future and ultimately puts STO one step closer to a living Star Trek galaxy.
Except Star Trek Galaxy shouldn't be about choosing a side between the Federation and Klingon.

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Q: (gornman47) Will there be a 25th century version of the D?deridex, and how many original Cryptic Romulan ships are we going to get with the faction?

Dstahl: Yes, there are Cryptic 25th century variants of all the base ships, including the D?deridex, and there will be at least two additional Cryptic-original Romulan ships at launch with more planned for the future.
Cannon Romulan Ships (by my count) equals 6 (if you exclude the drone ship from Enterprise). Plus 2 'Cryptic Originals', that leaves a whole bunch of Romulan Officers flying around in Federation or Klingon ships. Yippiee!!!!!

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Q: (robertuso) Will a free character slot be provided for the Romulan Republic faction?

Dstahl: Yes, but we haven?t finalized how this will be granted yet.
This has me worried, especially considering this update was suppose to allow any player (new or old) to start as any faction before going through ranks of the other.


Honestly, I've read better Ask Cryptic Replies. This isn't the way a lot of us had hoped the Romulan Faction would work (I fear you guys knew that already, you aren't stupid). You've essentially merged the Romulans into one of the two existing factions, though you've taken a backdoor entry point to make it look as if the Romulans stand alone.

Wasn't there talk some time ago of bringing an end to the Federation - Klingon war? That's going to screw your Romulan Alliance theme right up. You allow us a single race to play with (short of cash), you allow Starfleet and the KDF to give up their (already limited) ships to the Romulans, and you force our Romulan Officers to join a specific allegiance.

...and yes, I know I've only focused on the negative here. I'm sure the actual content and gameplay, plus further additions will be great, I'm just not a fan of the way Cryptic have implemented this.

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# 103
03-29-2013, 01:56 PM
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I am quite relieved that there will be no Romulan base progression right off the bat. And to those that feel cheated by this revelation, it makes sense as the Romulans are a defeated people trying to establish a new home world. How could you possibly believe that if rommy bases started sprouting up all over the tau dewa sector. They are no longer the power house of the quadrant like they were in the past. And be thankful that you are getting a "free" expansion.
Are we playing the same game? The romulans aren't defeated, they had a planet blow up, the rest of the empire is still there. Have you ever been to Tau Dewa or Psi Velorum or Alpha Centauri or Iota Pavonis blocks? Half of that space is the empire. Sela's throne wasnt even on that planet, its on another planet in another system halfway across the empire.

Oh and how did the empire get that big without massive fleets? The empire is massive. Look around. Its not a township, its an empire

Oh lets just reboot the whole empire into this random ball of dirt we've renamed "New Romuls" and make group hugs. Yeah that makes sense
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# 104
03-29-2013, 01:57 PM
As a Side note; I will not be creating Romulan Engineers soon; Tacticals are just hands down, the overall best way to play the (PvE) game. Sure, Engineers excel on ground, but they suck in space. And since we have to ally with the Fed or KDF at one point, I'llcCreate a Tactical that goes with the Fed, and the mirror version of that Tactical that goes with the KDF.
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# 105
03-29-2013, 01:59 PM
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No self-respecting Klingon would ever willingly help, much less, ally themselves with a Romulan. The only ones (in canon) who ever allied themselves with Romulans, were labeled traitors of the Empire.
Considering the Romulan and Klingon Empires were allies during the 23rd century (TOS era); there's no real reason they couldn't be again.
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# 106
03-29-2013, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ursusmorologus View Post
Are we playing the same game? The romulans aren't defeated, they had a planet blow up, the rest of the empire is still there. Have you ever been to Tau Dewa or Psi Velorum or Alpha Centauri or Iota Pavonis blocks? Half of that space is the empire.

How did the empire get that big without massive fleets?

Oh lets just reboot the whole empire into this random ball of dirt we've renamed "New Romuls" and make group hugs. Yeah that makes sense
The holdings of what was once the RSE is more akin to Europe in this story line; Everybody's loosely allied, but none of them operate under one central authority. Sure, the body of the RSE still exists, but it doesn't have full governance over every Romulan inhabited world.
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# 107
03-29-2013, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tachyonharmonic View Post
This is such a let-down.

They tout Romulans having their own storyline, but really you will just graft on to one of the other factions. There will only be FED-Roms or KDF-Roms, no real Romulans, whether they've got unique missions or not.

Leave it to Cryptic to destroy what the Federation, the Klingons, and even the Dominion could not; one of the most beloved factions of Star Trek lore.

I guess it's my fault for hoping they'd do the right thing instead of half-measure it.
Pretty much sums up my feelings
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# 108
03-29-2013, 02:01 PM
I have to reiterate how disappointed I am that Romulans will be shoe-horned into the Fed/KDF conflict. The Tal'Shiar still exists; the Empire (should) still exist. Yes, New Romulus was a big addition to gameplay. But I still think Romulan players should be able to choose which Romulan faction they are part of - and those factions should be NEUTRAL in the FvK war (or making their own side in the war).

This really feels like a way to re-use all the existing Fed, KDF, and New Romulus missions. I get that New Romulus is going to play a big role in the Romulan pseudo-faction, but that doesn't mean doing the exact same thing Feds and KDF are doing there. I'm perfectly willing to wait on different missions and content for all three factions, rather than having groups of people that should be at war with each other running around cooperating on gathering plant samples.

Edit: This also sets a terrible precedent for future factions. Will the Dominion, despite having the Gamma Quadrant to play with, and their own agenda, be forced to pick sides in the conflict as well? What they've done to the Romulans makes sense for the Cardassians / Alpha Jem'Hadar - regular Cardassians join Fed, True Way join KDF; sensible Jem'Hadar / Vorta join Fed, rogue join KDF. But the Romulans (like the Dominion) have their own agenda, their own fleets, their own (laregly ignored) territory.





Also going to add: I hope there's species specific missions for the Remans (like there should be for Gorn, Orions, etc.). They seem to have their own thing going on as well...
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# 109
03-29-2013, 02:01 PM
Giving us all the content of the new faction, even if it is only one race and six ships as you suggest, for free is an extremely generous free-to-play philosophy. Turbine charges significant money for this kind of new content, and then tiers it out so to get the real 'goodies' you want for your character you have to spend really healthy amounts. Even games like DCUO charge money for packs like this. And Remans are unlockable without spending a dime.

Heck, so far at least, Cryptic is being a lot more generous with this expansion than they are with Neverwinter Founders Packs.
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# 110
03-29-2013, 02:02 PM
I have only one gripe with the approach being taken here.

The Romulan Republic has "individual Captains" picking sides with KDF and Feds.

The problem is, essentially this means they are more like a loose mercenary company than an actual rising government.

They can end up fighting their own people. See the problem here from a story perspective?
And no, i'm sorry, this doesn't make it more "interesting" it makes it "too complicated" to feel right from a story telling perspective IMO.

Still, I am looking forward to it in general.
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