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# 211
03-29-2013, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
But the Oberth already has a unique console all its own. So the only way for this to happen? That's right ... a T5 Oberth RETROFIT! With a cloak!

Sign me up!
There's less chance of that happening than the Fleet Exeter in your signature there. I mean, there's been some OLD ships retrofitted to higher tier already, but I don't think they'll ever do every single last ship.

Besides, aside from getting CBS to ok it, the real question is: Would it sell? I mean that, would there truly be enough people willing to buy the tier 5 Oberth, with it's console only being usable on the Oberth? It'd 'fill' out the roster in a way, by having a cruiser, a sci-ship, and an escort all with cloak on the Fed-side.

That said, I have no interest in this. Even if others do, don't expect a 'phase cloak' to be 'all that' or anything. Because it'll be usable only on the Oberth. At tier 5 only the ship the console came on can use it, so that won't be changing for this. It won't be the 'exception'.

Honestly this thread has been going on for way too long. Romulans are coming, they will probably have cloaked ships, and you'll in-directly have Fed ships with cloak, so there.

Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 212
03-29-2013, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by travelingmaster View Post
I can debate if I want, but this subject (and pretty much everything else Federation players bring up) is a dead horse that's been beaten for years. At this point I just satiate my annoyance by flinging mud at the Federation faction. It's nothing too personal, I'm just tired of the imbalance and preferential treatment.
With the release of the romulan faction it is only going to get worse for kdf. So there might as well be somebody with a cloak. Hell the romulans are pretty much a fed/kdf hybrid as far as ships go.
Captain
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# 213
03-30-2013, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by wraithshadow13 View Post
then what do you think is going to happen with the romulans now? It's just been announced they're not a faction but join the Feds or KDF factions. If the KDF faction is as bad as people make it out to be, then why would the romulans join? Will this imbalance things even further for the KDF? If the Romulans bring Cloaking beyond the basic version, how will that effect players?
That is indeed a concern amongst some KDF players, that this will just imbalance things further because this will be a way for Federation players to get a cloak without having to grub with us smelly Klingons. There's some concerns that the balance will be shifted towards Fed-Rom due to the content the Federation has, their slight edge in starbase maturity (more fleets at Tier 5), and the general numbers the faction has.

I don't know how it will turn out. I'm waiting and watching this whole thing unfold. I'll be returning to the game itself in May (currently on a hiatus from it) to play the new content that's come out over 4-5 months.

As to how cloaks will affect PvP between KDF and Fed-Roms. . .I think we KDF will just have to start carrying around countermeasures against cloaks The aceton assimilators ought to help with that.
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# 214
03-30-2013, 08:10 AM
It seems a compromise has been reached now. You Feds get your cloaking device, but you'll have to roll a Romulan to do it. I see this as a win-win personally. KDF gets to maintain their unique difference from the Feds, and I don't have to watch the ridiculousness of a Odyssey cloaking and decloaking in a STF.

It looks like the new faction is shaping up to be an underdog faction like the KDF is. I encourage all the Feds in this thread begging for cloaks to play as a Romulan. Maybe once you spend the majority of your time playing a faction that doesn't have much, you'll come to enjoy the unique things it does offer, and will understand the desire to preserve your uniqueness from those that'd rather have everything available to everyone. Having everything available to everyone pretty much negates the entire philosophy behind separate factions to begin with.
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# 215
03-30-2013, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mikenight00 View Post
It seems a compromise has been reached now. You Feds get your cloaking device, but you'll have to roll a Romulan to do it. I see this as a win-win personally. KDF gets to maintain their unique difference from the Feds, and I don't have to watch the ridiculousness of a Odyssey cloaking and decloaking in a STF.

It looks like the new faction is shaping up to be an underdog faction like the KDF is. I encourage all the Feds in this thread begging for cloaks to play as a Romulan. Maybe once you spend the majority of your time playing a faction that doesn't have much, you'll come to enjoy the unique things it does offer, and will understand the desire to preserve your uniqueness from those that'd rather have everything available to everyone. Having everything available to everyone pretty much negates the entire philosophy behind separate factions to begin with.
Indeed, that's sorta been my response most of the time. Want battlecruisers that dish out damage? Roll KDF. Want frigate pets on carriers? Roll KDF. Want battlecloaks? Roll KDF.

The reverse is true for KDF players, as well. If we want better DPSing and turning escorts, we play a Fed. If we want SCIENCE SHIPS, we play Fed. If we want to fly a cruiser primarily dedicated towards tanking and outgoing healing, we play Fed.

Factional differences exist for a reason, and I'm sick and tired of Federation players advocating that they be watered down because they can't be arsed to fly KDF.
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# 216
03-30-2013, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by travelingmaster View Post
Factional differences exist for a reason, and I'm sick and tired of Federation players advocating that they be watered down because they can't be arsed to fly KDF.
I would be more sympathetic to this argument if in fact the KDF UI didn't make my eyes bleed.
Captain
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# 217
03-30-2013, 03:58 PM
All i wanted was my cloak to activate when i tell it too regardless of red alert or faction. And also a more updated version for each faction to show that we are in the future of what we've already seen.... of... the future...
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# 218
03-30-2013, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by trwarbuck View Post
Okay, let me first open this by saying this. No I am not another whining Federation player who wants a advanced battle cloak for Federation Starships.
Now I will make my point.
Since the Federation is aiding the Romulans on New Romulus. How about making the Cloaking Device from the Tactical Escort Retrofit able to be installed on to any Federation starship. Or, incorporate a cloaking device in to the Reputation system along with a Plasma Quad Cannon.

This would take care of a lot of issues.
1) Shut those whining Federation players up.
2) Make the Romulan Tactical Boffs worth obtaining for a Federation player.
3) Expand the available equipment on the Reputation stores. Having a Cloaking Device would also allow KDF players to unlock the Cloaking Device for ships that does not come equipped with Cloaking Devices.
4) This would also make it possible for non-Federation and Non-KDF hulls (Breen Chel Grett, Jem'Hadar, Cardassians, Farengi)i to be equipped with Cloaking Devices.

Plasma Quad Cannon
The Plasma Quad Cannon is a piece of equipment that should of been included in the Reputation store from the very beginning.
Problem: PVP Will Bomb

KDF Will Have No Uniqe vs the Feds (Rom is cross.. no count)

FEDs mad e peace agrement saying they dont use cloaks

Only possible mostly IF you are with Tal Shiar.. Not Romulan

Not Like The KDF Was Ever Given The Chance To Be Shut Up.. why should the FEDS be shut up all the time? (AKA Given What Want)
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Captain
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# 219
03-30-2013, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by blagorm View Post
Problem: PVP Will Bomb
giving the feds a cloak doesnt mean pvp will bomb, by that logic KvK doesnt exist.

Quote:
KDF Will Have No Uniqe vs the Feds (Rom is cross.. no count)
the lack of diversity in ships wont be changed by a cloak, its a problem that goes right to the core stats of the ships ingame.

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FEDs mad e peace agrement saying they dont use cloaks
the status of that agreement is questionalbe at best since the new rom government is not the one that agreement was made with, and whats left of the government that agreement was made with, is at war with the fed.


Quote:
Not Like The KDF Was Ever Given The Chance To Be Shut Up.. why should the FEDS be shut up all the time? (AKA Given What Want)
given the disparity in faction content & ship choice, its not like anyone needs to shut up.
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# 220
03-30-2013, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by neo1nx View Post
No, no, no and no, you stop right there!
The federation should not have cloack, not because it would make them overpowered, but because in the serie, the federation don't use cloack.
The only exeption is the defiant ( cloack that is given by romulan ) and the galaxy dread from the alternate timeline.
I don't like to said this usualy but here, if you really want a cloak that bad, go to klingons side, or find a ship where you can optimize mask energy signature3, at more than 4km it is exactly like a cloack.
cbs will never allow this anyway, so stop waisting your time.


have you forgotten? romulus is GONE poof bang dead... the klinks are not at the peace table and the rommies are moot, this new faction represent a small fraction of a former empire that is not enough of a threat to dictate policy any more. ALL GOOD THINGS: watch it and learn "Stealth" is a cloaking device and the "war" of that "alternate timeline" is the "reality" in which we play. SOOOO to be CANNON we should in fact have starfleet issued "stealth" consoles on every fed ship period (game set match, good day to you sir)

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