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# 1891
04-04-2013, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by voporak View Post
But why would you do that when one energy type is just plain better? You might try it to get all the procs... or you could focus on one and get a higher chance of proccing a specific proc. Additionally, rainbow beams are usually a sign that the rest of the build is not so great.
exactly. rainbows (and odys) have their bad name not from their uselessness, but just simply from the fact, that any competent player knows, that (s)he should get better results from a single weapon tpye.
I know there are competent rainbows out there, but tough luck spotting them if you are not parsing all the time (like I do )
still rainbows are not "that" bad, they are just not good.

on topic:
a yesterday I joined an ise. tow guys went to fight the right cube, died a few times, someone blew a gen early on my side, and as I was on the other side of everything, we lost too much dps while I went to grav well the spheres, so when I turn back, the transformer is still quite healthy, which means we lost the optional, one guy quit, and as it was past midnight I joined him. I assume the rest had a great time (by pure logic the one who blew early did not leave, and the two geniuses didnt either, so I am fairly sure they completed the rest of the round in 10 minutes - not)
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# 1892
04-04-2013, 04:43 AM
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uhhh, maybe to prove to ignorant idiots who don't know what the hell they're talking about that rainbows are just as effective as a single color save for an EXTREMELY minor DPV loss, that you aren't even going to notice if you're running any combination of EPtW, plasmonic leech, NI, aux2batt, weapons batteries, RMC, or any other myriad of powers that boost damage or power levels
Minor DPV-Loss over a whole STF is not really minor

While I agree with you, that a experienced player wont have any trouble to make a dps-rainbow-boat, he still makes more dmg with a single energytype.

Most people forget cause and effect: Its not because someone flies a rainbowboat and doesnt do damage that he is a noob. Its the other way around
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# 1893
04-04-2013, 05:47 AM
I made a skittles boat once, just for the fun of it - the prefire chamber consoles are like 10k EC on the exchange for Rare Mk XI, so i got 5 of them and it was worth it for the sake of the experiment. I dumped all the types of [Borg] DHCs and turrets I had (disruptor, tetryon, polaron, antiproton) and I PuG-ed. The difference was that the things didn't die as fast as they did. At the time I was in fleet advanced escort....so my DPS with multi-colour was the same as a single colour weapons and 4 tactical consoles instead of five. But there is no way you're going to do 3500 DPS if you've done 7000 before that.....let alone 2000-ish.
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# 1894
04-04-2013, 05:56 AM
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I made a skittles boat once, just for the fun of it - the prefire chamber consoles are like 10k EC on the exchange for Rare Mk XI, so i got 5 of them and it was worth it for the sake of the experiment. I dumped all the types of [Borg] DHCs and turrets I had (disruptor, tetryon, polaron, antiproton) and I PuG-ed. The difference was that the things didn't die as fast as they did. At the time I was in fleet advanced escort....so my DPS with multi-colour was the same as a single colour weapons and 4 tactical consoles instead of five. But there is no way you're going to do 3500 DPS if you've done 7000 before that.....let alone 2000-ish.
For the real pug-feeling you must fly with 125 engine power und 50+x shields
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# 1895
04-04-2013, 06:18 AM
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For the real pug-feeling you must fly with 125 engine power und 50+x shields
that is just stupid. why would you want 50+ shield power? you need 125 engine power so you gain mobility on your odyssey and the rest should go to aux even if you dont have sci powers, simply because aux power effects procrate of weapons, so you would gain more dmg through the different weapon types than from one single type with full weapon power. it is proven by many fin examples
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# 1896
04-04-2013, 06:19 AM
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uhhh, maybe to prove to ignorant idiots who don't know what the hell they're talking about that rainbows are just as effective as a single color save for an EXTREMELY minor DPV loss, that you aren't even going to notice if you're running any combination of EPtW, plasmonic leech, NI, aux2batt, weapons batteries, RMC, or any other myriad of powers that boost damage or power levels
Of course you will, a consolidated energy type build would benefit from those buffs also, and the damage difference due to consoles and set boosts would never be mitigated. There is no defence for an intentional rainbow build, especially not that wild fantasy about proc synergies.
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# 1897
04-04-2013, 06:32 AM
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that is just stupid. why would you want 50+ shield power? you need 125 engine power so you gain mobility on your odyssey and the rest should go to aux even if you dont have sci powers, simply because aux power effects procrate of weapons, so you would gain more dmg through the different weapon types than from one single type with full weapon power. it is proven by many fin examples
You do realise that he was just joking/being sarcastic, right?

Not to mention aux power has no effect on proc rate. Could you provide the examples you mention?

Edit: Wait, my bad, you were being sarcastic too. *Disembowels self to atone*
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# 1898
04-04-2013, 06:42 AM
Shadowfang is still right, though, that the fact alone that it's a rainbow/skittleship doesn't account for the fact that it's doing low dps. There are about a hundred different things that will cause a much bigger loss of DPS or performance, they just aren't as obvious.

People just call it out, because they don't have the attention or the grasp to notice anything else happening, like a cannon/torp escort constantly buffing itself with BO, or some people will put down players who just seem to be running rainbow builds (anyone flying a Galor at the time it was released will understand me here). Those are the same dimwits that think that the amount of accolade points are an indicator as to how good someone will perform in an STF or Fleet Event.

As i have mentioned before: Anyone who puts down rainbows or skittles should post his/her setup in this thread and I'll bet you people in here could take 98% of them apart and find DPS losses greater than the difference between an Mk.XII pure energy and Mk.X rainbow build.

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# 1899
04-04-2013, 06:47 AM
Well I had an interesting one yesterday.

Was running ISE with 3 other Feds and a Klingon in a BoP. We burn down the first few mobs in no time. So far so good. We then go to the left transformer and get to work. Everyone follows 10% and we knock it out no problems. Everything's still good. Suddenly the BoP cloaks and runs away and leaves the rest of us to fight the nanite spheres. He then sits over on the other side of the map next to the cube above the right hand side transformer. After a minute or so he starts complaining in team chat. "Waiting on you guys to finish off the spheres." "Still waiting so I can ambush this cube."

At this point the other 4 of us are like WTF are you doing? Come help us fight you ****. He starts saying things like how BoPs are supposed to be ambush craft and not direct fighters or some BS like that. We finish off the spheres and start moving over to the right transformer. By now it's pretty much just the 4 of us fighting since this BoP is a moron. Throughout the whole rest of the fight he keeps complaining about how BoPs have paper hulls and can't fight. He then starts going off on why we expected him to do anything because his captain's name was, and I quote, "Arabic for Infidel." LOLwut? Anyways the 4 of us managed to make the optional and did damn good despite this idiot. He kept complaining all the way up to the point where I grabbed my loot bag and warped out. So ridiculous.

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# 1900
04-04-2013, 07:24 AM
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Well I had an interesting one yesterday.

Was running ISE with 3 other Feds and a Klingon in a BoP. We burn down the first few mobs in no time. So far so good. We then go to the left transformer and get to work. Everyone follows 10% and we knock it out no problems. Everything's still good. Suddenly the BoP cloaks and runs away and leaves the rest of us to fight the nanite spheres. He then sits over on the other side of the map next to the cube above the right hand side transformer. After a minute or so he starts complaining in team chat. "Waiting on you guys to finish off the spheres." "Still waiting so I can ambush this cube."

At this point the other 4 of us are like WTF are you doing? Come help us fight you ****. He starts saying things like how BoPs are supposed to be ambush craft and not direct fighters or some BS like that. We finish off the spheres and start moving over to the right transformer. By now it's pretty much just the 4 of us fighting since this BoP is a moron. Throughout the whole rest of the fight he keeps complaining about how BoPs have paper hulls and can't fight. He then starts going off on why we expected him to do anything because his captain's name was, and I quote, "Arabic for Infidel." LOLwut? Anyways the 4 of us managed to make the optional and did damn good despite this idiot. He kept complaining all the way up to the point where I grabbed my loot bag and warped out. So ridiculous.


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