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# 41
04-04-2013, 02:32 PM
My Idea would be for this:

Information and Discussion Changes:

News Network (Renamed to allow for a more neutral setting and not to make players think that only Federation information gets shared here)

C-store and Promotions (This would also be a place where feedback could be given on such things and where they are advertised)

No other changes need to be made.

Feedback Section Changes:

General Feedback

Federation Gameplay

Klingon Gameplay

Romulan Gameplay (This would be feed back related to Romulan Specific content)

Fleetyards
-Subtopics: PVE (Could then add more subtopics for Federation, Romulan, Klingon), PVP (Could then add more subtopics for Federation, Romulan, Klingon) (This would allow for discussions of just builds in both PVE And PVP being separated into their own topics)
You could still discuss general builds and information, but going to the Subtopics would allow for more Specialized information. Such as if a player only wants to discuss Romulan PVP Ship builds.

Character Builds and powers: (The Bridge officers and Powers Feedback could be Merged into the general part of this section) This would be where Ground based information would be discussed
- Subtopics: PVE, PVP

Duty Officers

PVE Game play
-Subtopic: Missions and Episodes

PVP Game Play
-Subtopics: Space (Arena, Cap and Hold), Ground (Arena, Assault), PVP Bootcamp

Controls and User Interface

The Art of Star Trek Online

After that there really are no other changes to the sections under the Art part.
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# 42
04-04-2013, 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pwebranflakes View Post
So, let's get started! Feel free to make descriptive suggestions or post something like this:
My first suggestion is that I think the General Community Feedback sub forum and the Star Trek Online Discussion forum should be merged. They essentially serve almost the exact same purpose.

I also feel like there's too many sub forums. Yet one thing I'd like to see return is the separate ship classification forums. I know. I'm contradicting myself. It's just I found the advice given back when it was a Cruiser, Escort, Science vessel separation to be a lot more focused. I am in favor of consolidating the mess as the index page is HUGE. But in the case of individual ship classes, I found you got better info about builds, choices, ships, etc when it was separated. To oversimplify it, when folks wanted advice on how to kit out and set up their Excelsior, back in those days they didn't get sidetracked with all that added info about how they should fly Escort X, Y or Z because those who give good Escort advice were mostly answering questions in the Escort sub forum.

So yeah, my advice contains contradictions. Sorry.

Also, I mean I understand that technically there is a difference between the Federation Gameplay Forum and the PVE Gameplay Forum. But, I mean, the separation of the PVE and PVP forums really only seems to exist for the purpose of the PVP forum. PVE issues get discussed widely in the general, discussion, Fed Gameplay, KDF Gameplay and Missions and Episodes Forums. I'd say trimming the PVE Gameplay Forum and moving those threads to one of the above forums would not really change the discussion dynamic at all. Just keep the PVP Forum for the specific PVP issues.

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Should the shipyards sub-forum (builds, feedback, not art, etc.) still be separated by faction?
I say yes. I understand and support the desire to consolidate forums. But for ship builds, that's one of the few things I feel separation makes the flow of information go much smoother. And why I suggested further separation. I think having that added separation helps people get expert advice quicker. If I want to know what console to use on a Vesta, or what hangar pet to use on a Vo'Quv, I want a quick, in depth, educated answer from someone who flies that ship already. Merging it all into one lump forum would muddy that quest for clarity. In my opinion.

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Are there any forums that you think should be combined?
Is STO discussion and General Community Feedback too similar or should we keep them separated?
Aw geeze, I should have read further before replying. Yes! AND MERGE!


Quote:
Once we all come to, or at least try to, a consensus, the changes will be made.
Good luck.

Last edited by snoggymack22; 04-04-2013 at 02:40 PM.
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# 43
04-04-2013, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pwebranflakes View Post
I was also thinking this. Anyone opposed?

Cheers,

Brandon =/\=
The only thing I am concerned with this Shipyards. I realize it seems silly to segregate ship builds, but there is a definite divide between federation and klingon players and I would hate for a "Shipyard" Forum to degrade into a QQ forum about how Feds don't get KDF stuff or KDF don't get Rom stuff, Or how Rommies seem to have everything.
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# 44
04-04-2013, 02:36 PM
My opinions...

1. I like Galactic News Network.

2. I agree the Academy needs rework. I suggest making it a Major Section with two subforums: "Gameplay Questions" and "Player Guides & Tips".

Gameplay Questions could include any FAQ's as stickies. In Player Guides & Tips, Guides can be nominated for stickies. I would also recommend expiring stickies on Guides that are over a year old without updates.

3. I know you'd like to discourage non-STO-related commentary, but it still happens anyway. I suggest renaming "Star Trek Online Discussion" to "Star Trek Community Discussion".

4. Split "Information" and "Discussion" into two sections. Leave the "Informational" subforums at the top, put the "Feedback" subforums next, then follow those with the "Discussion" subforums.

5. Rename "General Community Feedback" to "Star Trek Online General Feedback"

6. Keep "Federation Gameplay" and "Klingon Gameplay" sub-forums and add a "Romulan Gameplay" feedback thread.

7. I agree, the Shipyard Feedback subforums can be consolidated.

8. Rename "Character Build and Powers" to "Character Traits, Skills, and Powers"

9. Move the PvE and PvP Gameplay subforums up with the other Gameplay subforums.

10. Keep everything else as is.


This would change the hierarchy to look something like this:

Information
. Galactic News Network
. Release Notes
. Dev Tracker
- Academy
. . Gameplay Questions & FAQs
. . Player Guides & Tips
Feedback
. Star Trek Online General Feedback
. Federation Gameplay
. Klingon Gameplay
. Romulan Gameplay
. PvE Gameplay
. PvP Gameplay
. Shipyards
. Character Traits, Skills, and Powers
. Bridge Officers and BOFF Powers
. Duty Officer System
. Missions and Episodes
. Controls and User Interface
. The Art of Star Trek Online
. C-Store and Promotions
Discussion
. Star Trek Community Discussion
. Ten Forward
Foundry
(No changes)
Support
(No changes)
Fleet
(No changes)
Test Servers
(No changes)
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# 45
04-04-2013, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pwebranflakes View Post
I was thinking it could be combined in one forum with the DOFF system, as the same devs work on it, but how do you feel about that?
I like that idea. With one caveat. Have a Sticky post in that forum indicating that detail, that the same devs work on those things. That way if like six months to a year down the line a new player wants to know why fleet holdings and DOFFs are in the same forum, they can be directed to that easy to understand explanation.
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# 46
04-04-2013, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bluegeek View Post
Information
. Galactic News Network
. Release Notes
. Dev Tracker
- Academy
. . Gameplay Questions & FAQs
. . Player Guides & Tips
Feedback
. Star Trek Online General Feedback
. Federation Gameplay
. Klingon Gameplay
. Romulan Gameplay
. PvE Gameplay
. PvP Gameplay
. Shipyards
. Character Traits, Skills, and Powers
. Bridge Officers and BOFF Powers
. Duty Officer System
. Missions and Episodes
. Controls and User Interface
. The Art of Star Trek Online
. C-Store and Promotions
Discussion
. Star Trek Community Discussion
. Ten Forward
Foundry
(No changes)
Support
(No changes)
Fleet
(No changes)
Test Servers
(No changes)
I think I should explain my rationale for why I'd like to see things re-arranged this way.

The Information sub-forums obviously being the first place people need to look for important information, they need to be at the top. Closely followed by the Academy sub-forums so that players with questions can get the help they need.

By separating general questions from player guides, we should be able to avoid the long list of stickies and people can find the guides more easily. The best of the guides can be stickied in that sub-forum.

By placing the Feedback sub-forums before the Discussion sub-forums, threads can be better channeled into the right categories. And if people get a bit lazy and just post in "Star Trek Online General Feedback" that's okay... The mods can easily monitor that and move threads where they need to go.

Likewise, most posters will tend to choose one of the "Gameplay" feedback sub-forums to post in so it makes sense that those should come first. The rest of the feedback sub-forums are more targeted.
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# 47
04-04-2013, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pwebranflakes View Post
Great suggestions! Keep them coming

Another question to ponder: where do you all think feedback about the reputation and fleet holdings system should live? I was thinking it could be combined in one forum with the DOFF system, as the same devs work on it, but how do you feel about that?

Cheers,

Brandon =/\=
It makes sense to have them all three in the same category, in terms of keeping the information consolidated for the benefit of the associated dev team. The three categories doesn't really warrant being stand alone forums.
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# 48
04-04-2013, 02:58 PM
For those suggesting Galatic News Network, it was the news station in Master Of Orion 2 back in '96, dunno if that is of any concern to Branblakes and co though.
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# 49
04-04-2013, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
I also feel like there's too many sub forums. Yet one thing I'd like to see return is the separate ship classification forums. I know. I'm contradicting myself. It's just I found the advice given back when it was a Cruiser, Escort, Science vessel separation to be a lot more focused. I am in favor of consolidating the mess as the index page is HUGE. But in the case of individual ship classes, I found you got better info about builds, choices, ships, etc when it was separated.
In regard to separate shipyard threads for factions, you said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
I understand and support the desire to consolidate forums. But for ship builds, that's one of the few things I feel separation makes the flow of information go much smoother. And why I suggested further separation. I think having that added separation helps people get expert advice quicker. If I want to know what console to use on a Vesta, or what hangar pet to use on a Vo'Quv, I want a quick, in depth, educated answer from someone who flies that ship already. Merging it all into one lump forum would muddy that quest for clarity. In my opinion.
So are you basically suggesting this:

Shipyards
- Federation
. . Escorts
. . Cruisers
. . Science Vessels
. . Carriers
- Klingon
. . BoP's
. . Raptors
. . Battlecruisers
. . Carriers and Support Vessels
- Romulan
. . Warbirds (?)

OR this:

Shipyards
- Escorts
. . Starfleet
. . KDF
- Cruisers
. . Starfleet
. . KDF
- Science Vessels
- Carriers
. . Starfleet
. . KDF
- Warbirds

I get what you're trying to say about separating builds, but do we really need to break them out by ship class AND faction?

I think a better organization would be something like this:

- Shipyards
. Escorts and Raptors
. Cruisers and Battlecruisers
. Science Vessels
. Birds of Prey
. Warbirds
. Carriers
. Cross-Faction (Lockbox)

Break out the unique classes into their own sub-forums and don't worry about faction. Most of the faction-related builds will end up in a faction-specific Gameplay sub-forum anyway.
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# 50
04-04-2013, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pwebranflakes View Post
Great suggestions! Keep them coming

Another question to ponder: where do you all think feedback about the reputation and fleet holdings system should live? I was thinking it could be combined in one forum with the DOFF system, as the same devs work on it, but how do you feel about that?

Cheers,

Brandon =/\=
It's not a bad idea at all, but when you think about it all three systems have to do with an alternate form of character progression. Crafting could probably also be considered an alternate form of progression (and will probably involve the same devs, too).

So I'd consider re-titling the sub-forum as "Character Development Systems" or "Alternative Gameplay Systems" or something like that. You can specify which systems in the description of the sub-forum, and add to the description as needed for new systems along similar lines.
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