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# 211
04-06-2013, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
Its different subject, there will always be some method to detect the cloak, also you are talking about the DS9 station detecting not ships but emissions or distortions and any Starbase is likely better equipped with sensors that Starships.

Doesnt change the fact only the D12 was mentioned to have a flaw and a flaw that was used to active the cloaking device, the D'deridex traveling over warp 6 cloaked would have a higher risk of being detected, no such issues were every brought about Klingon ships.

Also DS9 detected BOTH the joint Tal'shiar/Obsidian Order fleet and the Klingon Fleet, not as ships but still this shows Romulans didnt had a perfect cloak or had superior cloaks over the Klingons, in fact the Klingon cloaking devices managed to even be lighter that the Romulan ones according to Rom.

This are simply what was mentioned, there is no evidence Romulan cloaking devices are better outside the Scimitar but we also had Chang Bird-of-Prey that did not lead to Klingon ships being able to fire torpedoes under cloak.
The klingon cloaking devices had a deadly flaw before TNG as shown in STVI. They weren't always supposedly invincible like you said.

The important thing is that Romulans had the best cloak we ever saw. They had the first cloak, and had their race characterized by the technology. Cloaking is more Romulan in nature than Klingon. Thems the facts.
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The Constellation is made up primarily of Connie refit parts and it is tier 5, there is no logical reason whatsoever for the no tier 5/6 connie rule.
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# 212
04-06-2013, 03:49 PM
Is it just me or does the Ha'apax concept art look like it has an auxiliary type ship that detaches from it like the Odessey and Bor'tasque have.
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# 213
04-06-2013, 04:05 PM
"Balance of Terror" was based on (if not ripped directly from) World War II submarine movies, especially The Enemy Below. Cloaking was just a way for the writers to make a space-submarine, and like submarines and anti-submarine warfare, it stands to reason that the technology to conceal them and the technology to detect them both advance in a technological arms race.
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# 214
04-06-2013, 04:10 PM
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Is it just me or does the Ha'apax concept art look like it has an auxiliary type ship that detaches from it like the Odessey and Bor'tasque have.
Calling it now - Ha'apax will have a three-ship bundle in C-Store ala Oddy/Bortasqu', with special consoles whose set bonus will lean more towards science (where Oddy favors Eng and Bort favors Tac).
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# 215
04-06-2013, 04:28 PM
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This are simply what was mentioned, there is no evidence Romulan cloaking devices are better outside the Scimitar but we also had Chang Bird-of-Prey that did not lead to Klingon ships being able to fire torpedoes under cloak.
It was explained in the movie that changs BoP was a prototype and if you delv deeper you would also know chang stole it and had all info about it destroyed so that he would have the only one in existence.

So once changs prototype BoP was destroyed the perfected battlecloak was destroyed with him and his BoP.
As far as the romulans there military and empire was created around their cloaking technology it also influenced their ship designs so better to utilize a rom cloak.

Its also known that there had been a rom / klink alliance in the past which went horribly wrong but until that alliance the klinks did not have cloaking tech.

What the klinks got and have been using without much improvements are old romulan alpha cloaking technology as in its old school cloak tech.

The romulans are lightyears ahead of the klinks in cloaking technology
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# 216
04-06-2013, 04:42 PM
This looks great
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# 217
04-06-2013, 04:50 PM
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That was significantly lighter on details than I was hoping for and also quite revealing. It seems that if the rumors that we can use allied vessels are true then this very limited selection of ships may be the reason.

I'm not saying I'm completely dissapointed, but the fact that the Romulan ships go from "Escort" to "Battleship" as you tier up is somewhat dissapointing. I'll also admit I'd hoped to have a Mogai at T5, not T3.

Are there at least plans to give us different visualization options with the free ships? Or do we need to buy costumes/refits from the C-Store?

Will there be a Risian Clothing Pack? I want to put my Andorian Bridge Officer in a Bikini!
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# 218
04-06-2013, 09:39 PM
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I agree. I don't like the new designs. Mogai and D'deridex are so slender and elegant, the two new ships in this blog look "heavy" instead. I don't know what was the inspiration, but it doesn't seem like it was any of the ships I mentioned.

Another thing that bothers me is the front part that I would call "head". Unlike the mogai, D'deridex and romulan shuttle/science ship those new warbirds don't have a "beak". This part was very characteristic for romulan ships, instead the Dhelan, has a mantis head, and the Ha?apax looks more like a bat. Worse, the Ha?apax looks like two bats in a mating ritual (I'm not trying to be funny, this really was my first impression).
I totally agree and i also dont agree with roms using fed or klingon starships however if roms use shuttles thats fine but starships thats not romulan at all .. otherwise we have to start sharing starships of all factions and you might want to call this game something other then star trek once that happens....... come on cryptic each faction should have its own starships you want to let romulans use ships of there allied friends then let them have shuttles only......
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# 219
04-06-2013, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by amosov78 View Post
They've probably just read the description from Memory-Alpha: "The D'deridex-class Warbird was classified as a battle cruiser by Starfleet."

The thing is, Starfleet confusingly uses both these terms along with "B-Type" Warbird too.
If you scroll down to the production notes, we learn that the D'Deridex model used in TNG: Tin Man was different than the B-Type used in TNG: Defector. So given the B-type came before TNG: Defector, one could say that the B-Type was the name Starfleet given D'Deridex's, before they learned the official name. That or the B-Type was the second production models of the D'Deridex and the D'Deridex we know are the C-Type. (Similar to how modern fighters go like F-15A, F-15B, F-15-C, etc).


But with "Warbird Battlecruiser", again it's stupid Cryptic slapping two ship types names like they did. It's no different saying something like "Cruiser Destroyer" or "Frigate Escort"

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Romulan D'Shara..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ro...w=1366&bih=643

So much want!! They need to consider this design...
I really like it too.

And you know what? There are some similarities with the Romulan T2 ship with this. Seems like Cryptic stole aspects of this person's design. Pretty low Cryptic.

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# 220
04-07-2013, 01:30 AM
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I really like it too.

And you know what? There are some similarities with the Romulan T2 ship with this. Seems like Cryptic stole aspects of this person's design. Pretty low Cryptic.
I think that you may be jumping to conclusions. Numerous Trek artists around the internet should be careful leaving their art around the internet, I also think it's possible that two or more artists might draw upon the same original inspirations. In this case, models from all the Trek series or films. All two or more artists might come up with something similar. Yet be completely unaware of each other's work.

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