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# 71
04-07-2013, 06:07 AM
I'm going to start off with this:

The thread discussing this subject is polarizing enough, in and of itself.


The devs didn't include such a structure in-game for very good reasons, and honestly, religions aside, you should respect that, OP.

If you or anyone else need some spiritual place in your life, that is fantastic and understandable... but you shouldn't be looking for that in a virtual reality. And asking for it not only places undue stresses on the dev team but I think sullies the premise of one's own spirituality a bit.
I am not trying to offend, mind, but trying to point out why such a request may not be the wisest idea.

For many different reasons, but most prominently the respect of not just religion (of any kind) itself but for respect of Trek and the idea that Roddenberry had in mind for it, I will have to emphatically say "no".
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# 72
04-07-2013, 08:47 AM
Star Trek IS america in the future. It is Space USA, built on USA ideals and society.

Still, the only religious sites I can think of are for vulcan meditation or Bajoran Prophets, and of course Kahless for the Klingons.

Though I think Q deserves a temple to his awesomeness

Anyway, I'm off to pray to great Chtulhu.
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# 73
04-07-2013, 08:52 AM
I've moved this to the OT forum so you guys can continue to discuss it. Please keep the discussion civil so it may continue.
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# 74
04-07-2013, 09:16 AM
I think it'd be a nice addition as a special project for Starbases, even if it's just basically a C&P of the Temple on Bajor or DS9.
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# 75
04-07-2013, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sorceror01 View Post
I'm going to start off with this:

The thread discussing this subject is polarizing enough, in and of itself.


The devs didn't include such a structure in-game for very good reasons, and honestly, religions aside, you should respect that, OP.

If you or anyone else need some spiritual place in your life, that is fantastic and understandable... but you shouldn't be looking for that in a virtual reality. And asking for it not only places undue stresses on the dev team but I think sullies the premise of one's own spirituality a bit.
I am not trying to offend, mind, but trying to point out why such a request may not be the wisest idea.

For many different reasons, but most prominently the respect of not just religion (of any kind) itself but for respect of Trek and the idea that Roddenberry had in mind for it, I will have to emphatically say "no".
I agree with this post whole-heartedly.

I will add, that as an ordained minister, I entirely respect and promote the freedom of, and the freedom from religion. While I respect the choice of atheists, I find the condescension and dismissal of the religious to be utterly shameful and hypocritical. Given that today is a Sunday, I shall make my first online sermon, and I shall make a reading from the Holy Qur'an:

"Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,"

Let us consider those words. Not Lord of the World, but Lord of the Worlds and how it fits with the mission statement of Starfleet:

"To explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations..."


May peace be upon you all
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# 76
04-07-2013, 11:05 AM
For the umpteenth time, weddings are not necessarily religious ceremonies. The fact that people get married in Star Trek does not mean religion still exists. The fact that they get married in a room with a lectern does not make that a chapel. There have never been any clergy depicted in Starfleet. The Federation weddings we have seen have all been civil ceremonies. They have nothing to do with religion.

And as far as 'non-denominational' goes, I find it interesting that these 'non-denominational' chapels all have a lectern up front and rows of seats. Meaning, they're designed like small Protestant Christian churches. They aren't designed like Roman Catholic chapels, or Eastern Orthodox chapels. They look a little like a synagogue...maybe...at least an American one (whose design was highly influenced by...that's right...Protestant churches). They look nothing like a mosque or Islamic prayer space.

Having rows of seats, a central lectern, and blank walls in a religiously labeled place like a chapel is a Protestant chapel. It is no less sectarian than it would be if you had rows of prayer rugs and a chanters stand instead. Or if you had a big row of Russian icons in the front. Protestant Christianity is just so ingrained as the majority religion in the U.S. that it passes for 'generic'.
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# 77
04-07-2013, 11:49 AM
Seems to me there's been some confusion in this thread.

It's important to recognise the difference between religion and spirituality.

They are too often conflated, in my view.

I completely understand the importance of keeping religion out of STO. It would be divisive and polarising.

However, spirituality has been a part of Star Trek since TOS.

Whether it's the Vulcans, Bajorans, even the Prime Directive.

All of these have spiritual dimensions.

For myself, one of my favourite things to do while waiting for a mission cooldown or for the rest of my fleet to finish what they're doing, is to look out of a window.

I find looking at earth from space both calming and inspiring. Even if it is a video game.

What I'd like to see is, on ESD, a dedicated observation deck.

An area, accesible by elevator, with big windows looking down on earth with sittable seats actually facing said windows. Maybe some plants to add a splash of colour.

I know there are already windows on ESD, but there are no seats.

Certainly we need to avoid overt manifestations of religion, but we could create 'quiet' spaces where anyone can just rest and think about whatever they feel a need to think about.
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# 78
04-07-2013, 11:53 AM
The rows of seats at Dallas Love are all folding chairs. I'm sure they could be re-arranged into any configuration in about 30 seconds. Or removed entirely with the lecturn if that's what the users wanted. Then it's just a room set aside for spiritual purposes.

As for the fellow who decided that the sins of the father in regards to religion deem any present or future religion be condemned, shall I post examples of the tens of millions of people killed in the last 100 years in the name of science? Quite a few shocking examples that go beyond the Holocaust and Great Purges, even, if not in terms of quantity like the aforementioned. Did you know that up until the 1960's, vivisection was a growing trend in American medical circles? Or that Project MkUltra kidnapped people and expirimented upon them? It only gets more shocking from there.

People cause these problems, and they get their rationale from their own twisted views. Whether it's religion or the expansion of science, they abused such to meet their own ends. Do not lump someone like Ghandi in with the likes of the Inquisition. It's very closed-minded.
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# 79
04-07-2013, 12:11 PM
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I did say non denominational. Which would mean no symbols of any kind.

I said it in my original post. So why people are thinking it would be this or that religion can only be people not reading, not comprehending or blind to their own fervor/flavor.
Because people are ***hats and don't believe in live and let live. They believe that unless you agree with them, that you are an ***hat. Seriously though, you hit the nail on the head; they are ignorant to their own biases.

Being agnostic myself, in my experience, atheists are far more likely to impose their beliefs on me than religious people. ***hats, all of em!

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# 80
04-07-2013, 12:20 PM
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For the love of Q...this thread is going to get ugly real soon....this is not Zone chat
How did ESD zone chat end up in the forum?
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