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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,130
# 21
04-10-2013, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tpalelena View Post
I think the leaver penalty needs to be removed completely.

Because if its removed, afk leechers will no longer be able to troll so badly.
AFK leechers are just there for free loot with no effort, removing the penalty won't change anything, and a vote kick system would only work in a perfect world where there are no idiots that kick people for stupid reasons, anything that can be abused, will be abused. For AFKers some mechanism needs to be implemented so that zero effort equals zero reward, that will be the only thing that will discourage AFKers.
The leaver penalty is working exactly as it should, it's an appropriate reward for selfishness and betrayal, in fact it may be too lenient.
Commander
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 355
# 22
04-10-2013, 10:12 AM
You know, if someone's AFK in an ESTF or nerd-raging over an optional failure, the last thing the people actually contributing need is a bunch of spheres, probes, assimilated ships, and cubes beating them up while they're actually trying to do objectives. So, I'm a pretty nice guy and do the right thing -- I'll pop an FaW, torpedo volley, and evasive maneuvers and get the excess of enemy ships as far away from the team as possible. Crowd control is crowd control, no matter how you control them, and managing pulls is a great way to control crowds!

If that great big group of enemy ships just happens to end up within firing range of someone who could have easily avoided them or fought them off had they been paying attention in the first place...oops, my bad. Lesson learned, I guess, shame on me for not paying attention to where I was pulling that inordinately large group of very angry Borg. I was just trying to help!
Ensign
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 24
# 23
04-11-2013, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by maxvitor View Post
AFK leechers are just there for free loot with no effort, removing the penalty won't change anything, and a vote kick system would only work in a perfect world where there are no idiots that kick people for stupid reasons, anything that can be abused, will be abused. For AFKers some mechanism needs to be implemented so that zero effort equals zero reward, that will be the only thing that will discourage AFKers.
The leaver penalty is working exactly as it should, it's an appropriate reward for selfishness and betrayal, in fact it may be too lenient.
Today I spend a while putting on my best anti borg equip and queue up for Khitomer in Statis.. only - just that one, because that's the one I want to play. Before long, the Engage window pops up, I click it, wait for the other players, and eventually there we are.

One of the players teams us up,
and suddenly the game says I will be removed from the map in 10 seconds. That long window pops up so I may leave early (which I don't want to leave AT ALL!)

I didn't do anything to leave the map, and there's NOTHING I can do to stop it! Didn't lose Internet connection at all.

10 seconds later, I'm back where I was before we started. I did NOTHING to leave, wasn't afk obviously... not a quitter.

Didn't get to play the queue I signed up for and banned for 1 hour from joining or creating public queues.

Please explain why it "should" work that way.

See this thread: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=513871

Last edited by vaewen; 04-11-2013 at 05:30 AM.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 32
# 24
04-11-2013, 06:43 AM
I try not to leave if possible unless its just lost.

I think that the first person to leave should get the ban after than they don't

Also I have had my wireless over heat so I got disconnected I did not get a ban for that I just rejoined when I could.

Also Do not put in a kick button I know the game can do with it at times however you may get it aimed at you even through you are playing very well. If it does, than the "match" whatever would need to be moderated quite well to stop it being wrongly used....


my 2 cents
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,471
# 25
04-11-2013, 07:13 AM
On the contrary. A "vote to kick" button SHOULD be implemented to boot the trolls out of STFs.

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Ensign
Join Date: Apr 2013
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# 26
04-11-2013, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by stardestroyer001 View Post
On the contrary. A "vote to kick" button SHOULD be implemented to boot the trolls out of STFs.
You mean so that the trolls can boot the good players.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,846
# 27
04-11-2013, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by stardestroyer001 View Post
On the contrary. A "vote to kick" button SHOULD be implemented to boot the trolls out of STFs.
There already is a Vote button...

It's called the "Don't Click On PUGS" Option and it's available every time you open the que window.
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Last edited by daveyny; 04-11-2013 at 10:32 AM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,130
# 28
04-11-2013, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by vaewen View Post
Please explain why it "should" work that way.
That's clearly a bug, there is no vote kick to remove you from an STF but I think that a team leader can kick you from a team with the game then mistakenly kicking you from the instance, although I'm just guessing on that. It's unfortunate that you had a 1 hour ban, but the leaver penalty such as it is is far preferable to the situation that existed before it's incorporation where we had trolls often leaving stfs early just to mess with people. It's a sad truth that we have many trolls playing this game who should be banned from playing, it's for that reason that we can't use a vote kick system, these trolls will not use it for it's intended purpose, but will sadistically abuse it just to get sick pleasure from ruining someone elses gaming experience.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 47
# 29
04-11-2013, 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxvitor View Post
AFK leechers are just there for free loot with no effort, removing the penalty won't change anything, and a vote kick system would only work in a perfect world where there are no idiots that kick people for stupid reasons, anything that can be abused, will be abused. For AFKers some mechanism needs to be implemented so that zero effort equals zero reward, that will be the only thing that will discourage AFKers.
The leaver penalty is working exactly as it should, it's an appropriate reward for selfishness and betrayal, in fact it may be too lenient.
Agreed! Some sort of automatic inactivity kick for the AFKers would be nice, and a lengthy ban also
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,979
# 30
04-11-2013, 11:23 AM
You guys do realize that after you've spent 15 minutes on an STF map that you entered via a public queue; you can leave and NOT get the penalty (granted I haven't done it in about 3 months - and the last time I did, it was an infected Elite whee ww had a random griefer just plain (and IMO intentionally, as he was shooting Generators on the second Transformer while the rest of us were burning down the first Transformer -- and he ignored requests to stop, as one other tried to explain why he needs to wait) -- but it worked that way about 3 months ago.
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