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# 91
04-12-2013, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
Here's a little fact, there isn't a single ship in the game that can out DPS a Bort Tactical Cruiser with all 3 mods + 5 weapon energy boosters.

Ask me how this is fact.

Because the ship description compared to even a Fed Escort, or Kling BoP, factored in with the +12 Energy Weapons Specialization, And the Accuracy Buff.

You'll soon figure out fast why it's the highest DPS ship in the game for a Tac. Add that to a Rom Bridge Officer, and cloak alpha. There isn't a single ship in this entire game that can out DPS the Bort Tactical Cruiser with the 5 Tactical Console Slots, and everything else on it.
Well its one thing when you are defending aspects of your favorite ship but when you start lying you're just going to make it hard on yourself. There are plenty of ships that can out dps a bortasqu like the kumari the Bug and many escorts and really anything with a Cmdr TAC slot and higher turn rate.
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# 92
04-12-2013, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by westx211 View Post
Well its one thing when you are defending aspects of your favorite ship but when you start lying you're just going to make it hard on yourself. There are plenty of ships that can out dps a bortasqu like the kumari the Bug and many escorts and really anything with a Cmdr TAC slot and higher turn rate.
Dude, Bortasqu' has the +15 power to weapons like Escorts and BoPs do. + Cloak Alpha + Consoles + Special Console Buffs.

You can wipe out Dreads and Oddysseys within 5 seconds of decloaking.

No ships in game have higher DPS.

It has a Cmdr Tac Slot, and LT Commander Universal Slot.

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# 93
04-12-2013, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
Dude, Bortasqu' has the +15 power to weapons like Escorts and BoPs do. + Cloak Alpha + Consoles + Special Console Buffs.

You can wipe out Dreads and Oddysseys within 5 seconds of decloaking.

No ships in game have higher DPS.

It has a Cmdr Tac Slot, and LT Commander Tac Slot.
Um last time I checked the bprtasqu had a cmdr eng slot not TAC and many ships can destroy ships with alphas the cloak isn't that big of a dmg boost,as APO is and I CAN guarantee you that a bug or a kumari will out dps it.
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# 94
04-12-2013, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by westx211 View Post
Um last time I checked the bprtasqu had a cmdr eng slot not TAC and many ships can destroy ships with alphas the cloak isn't that big of a dmg boost,as APO is and I CAN guarantee you that a bug or a kumari will out dps it.
Kumari prob with the cannon buff and extra weapon slot.

Bug? Nah.... Not in the short time frame.

Using cloak alpha + everything else, I've wiped out 3 bugs in PVP.

And damage boost with a Rom BOff, it's quite a bit of a hit/difference. When you hit Omega, Beta, EPW, and ATB.

5-7 seconds a bug dread is dead. ~4 seconds a bugship is dead.
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# 95
04-13-2013, 01:57 AM
*sigh*

Bortas'qu argument in summary:
Quote:
PVP this, PVP that, enough DPS for 5 seconds to kill anything in 5 seconds if piloted by a tactical, consoles with multi-minute cooldowns help it win 1:1 engagements, blah blah blah
So now that everybody has thoroughly hashed out the special cases, let's talk about the gameplay experience that 90% of the players are having 90% of the time, doing combat like starbase fleet alert or Romulan sector patrol where you kill a group of ships then fly somewhere else and kill a different group of ships. Which is the more efficient ship?
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# 96
04-13-2013, 03:03 AM
Jeez, OP, two cents goes a long way these days.


I love my Tac Bortasqu', but I use it because it's hilarious, not because it's the best ship in the game.

Anyone who knows battlecruisers will tell you the Tor'kaht (Fleet Vor'cha) is far superior, with it's turnrate, BOff layout (can be set up identically to the optimum Bortasqu' layout) and consoles (identical to Command Bortasqu' / Sci variant) and shield modifier. It comes close to the Bortasqu's damage potential but with more time-on-target the Tor'kaht handily surpasses the Bortasqu' in total DPS.

Yes, the Bortasqu' consoles are awfully special, but if you use them you necessarily sacrifice either survivability or damage boosts. I usually only use the autocannon for PvP.

Yes you can obliterate a Bug with a decloak alpha, but most Bugs are flown by idiots. And you can obliterate a Bug in just about any ship that cloaks with a decloak alpha, so the Bortasqu' is a bit overkill.

Yes the Hoh'SuS pet is awfully deadly, assuming it lives. If you're enemy is smart he'll take it out as soon as he sees it (I know from playing the other side that CSV and a set of high-yield Quantums will do the trick) and for the next four minutes you have a useless console.

Yes the subspace snare is mighty handy if you catch your enemy unawares. If he's smart though, he'll use one of three BOff powers that resist teleport and again your consoles useless while the ability cools down.

Yes the Bortasqu' has one of the toughest hulls in the game but that won't stop a well-equipped Tacscort or Vesta from teeing off and destroying you from outside of your forward arc.

If you've learned to PvP successfully in a Bortasqu', I salute you, and welcome to the club, but don't delude yourself into thinking your fifty bucks bought you an unstoppable juggernaut that will simply crush all your foes with its devastating alpha. There are better ships, (the Bug among them) and there are always better players. So don't be surprised when your juggernaut suddenly rolls over and explodes.

Have fun out there.

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# 97
04-13-2013, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sander233 View Post
Jeez, OP, two cents goes a long way these days.


I love my Tac Bortasqu', but I use it because it's hilarious, not because it's the best ship in the game.

Anyone who knows battlecruisers will tell you the Tor'kaht (Fleet Vor'cha) is far superior, with it's turnrate, BOff layout (can be set up identically to the optimum Bortasqu' layout) and consoles (identical to Command Bortasqu' / Sci variant) and shield modifier. It comes close to the Bortasqu's damage potential but with more time-on-target the Tor'kaht handily surpasses the Bortasqu' in total DPS.

Yes, the Bortasqu' consoles are awfully special, but if you use them you necessarily sacrifice either survivability or damage boosts. I usually only use the autocannon for PvP.

Yes you can obliterate a Bug with a decloak alpha, but most Bugs are flown by idiots. And you can obliterate a Bug in just about any ship that cloaks with a decloak alpha, so the Bortasqu' is a bit overkill.

Yes the Hoh'SuS pet is awfully deadly, assuming it lives. If you're enemy is smart he'll take it out as soon as he sees it (I know from playing the other side that CSV and a set of high-yield Quantums will do the trick) and for the next four minutes you have a useless console.

Yes the subspace snare is mighty handy if you catch your enemy unawares. If he's smart though, he'll use one of three BOff powers that resist teleport and again your consoles useless while the ability cools down.

Yes the Bortasqu' has one of the toughest hulls in the game but that won't stop a well-equipped Tacscort or Vesta from teeing off and destroying you from outside of your forward arc.

If you've learned to PvP successfully in a Bortasqu', I salute you, and welcome to the club, but don't delude yourself into thinking your fifty bucks bought you an unstoppable juggernaut that will simply crush all your foes with its devastating alpha. There are better ships, (the Bug among them) and there are always better players. So don't be surprised when your juggernaut suddenly rolls over and explodes.

Have fun out there.
Buddy, there's not chance in hell a Vesta is going to take down a Bortasu'.

I'm sorry, but if an Oddyssey can't even scratch the paint job, a Vesta sure as hell isn't going to come close. lol
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# 98
04-13-2013, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by momaw View Post
*sigh*

Bortas'qu argument in summary:


So now that everybody has thoroughly hashed out the special cases, let's talk about the gameplay experience that 90% of the players are having 90% of the time, doing combat like starbase fleet alert or Romulan sector patrol where you kill a group of ships then fly somewhere else and kill a different group of ships. Which is the more efficient ship?
In PVE, Bort wins. In Welcoming the Federation Patrol, Borg Patrol, Card patrol, etc. I just tank through group after group, and pile drive it. I've intentionally aggro'd 15 Jem ships at one point, just flying on through, shoot a ship in a group, shoot a ship in another group, get them swarming/building up.

I tanked through and wiped them all out. In the PVEs the Bort is ridiculously OP. But then again, as far as Dread vs Bort goes, Bort does have it better in the DPS department if you need targets dead faster so you can move on faster.

The Dread is similar, but just not as fast.
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# 99
04-13-2013, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
In PVE, Bort wins. In Welcoming the Federation Patrol, Borg Patrol, Card patrol, etc. I just tank through group after group, and pile drive it. I've intentionally aggro'd 15 Jem ships at one point, just flying on through, shoot a ship in a group, shoot a ship in another group, get them swarming/building up.

I tanked through and wiped them all out. In the PVEs the Bort is ridiculously OP. But then again, as far as Dread vs Bort goes, Bort does have it better in the DPS department if you need targets dead faster so you can move on faster.

The Dread is similar, but just not as fast.

The Dreadnaught absolutely destroys the Bort in PvE. It's damage potential w/ Elite Scorps is significantly higher.

Having said that, both ships are mediocre for Patrols. You want something that could maneuver in a patrol, like an escort. Of course, who really gives a rat's ass about what your flying in patrols, it's trivial content.

In PvP, I don't really care. I wouldn't fly either.

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# 100
04-13-2013, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
Dude, Bortasqu' has the +15 power to weapons like Escorts and BoPs do. + Cloak Alpha + Consoles + Special Console Buffs.

You can wipe out Dreads and Oddysseys within 5 seconds of decloaking.

No ships in game have higher DPS.

It has a Cmdr Tac Slot, and LT Commander Universal Slot.
Incorrect. I doubt you even have the ship. lol.
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