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# 11
04-14-2013, 04:35 PM
Pets with Battlecloak, doesn't matter to me, as long as they don't give player ships battlecloak or any more cloaks for Federation ships. Cloak should be Romulan and KDF exclusive.

So meh on pets, I say let them have their victory it doesn't really matter I think to a lot of KDF players.
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We can tell our great grandchildren, "In my day, our cloaks were so sensitive that even dialogue broke them and we couldn't change our clothes!"
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# 12
04-14-2013, 08:10 PM
I think that while the Stalkers getting BC is a bit annoying, it's a minor thing in the big picture.

End of the KDF? Not really.



What will probably happen is this:

An increase (maybe not immediately) in the amount of Fed-whining for adding more cloaking/battle cloaking ships (playable ones, not fighters) to their roster, using these Stalker Fighters as one of their 'reasons' along-side the Defiant and Gal-X.

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# 13
04-15-2013, 01:30 AM
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What will probably happen is this:

An increase (maybe not immediately) in the amount of Fed-whining for adding more cloaking/battle cloaking ships (playable ones, not fighters) to their roster, using these Stalker Fighters as one of their 'reasons' along-side the Defiant and Gal-X.
Sounds about right, they seem to want everything on that faction rather than playing and developing characters on both.
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We can tell our great grandchildren, "In my day, our cloaks were so sensitive that even dialogue broke them and we couldn't change our clothes!"
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# 14
04-15-2013, 02:44 AM
I'm not worried because of a few things with this topic.

#1. New romulans who choose fed side will have battle cloak so that uniqueness goes out the window (in all sense tho it was the first romulan-klingon alliance that Klingons got battle cloaks in the first place).

#2. After reading #1 as a mostly KDF player who likes to play fed once in awhile mostly just for the looks of the nice looking fed ships if you are introducing Romulans in this manner might as well just give the defiant a battle cloak with the option of having the fed version console + a romulan console for a set effect of having a battle cloak its not taking any uniqueness from what the may update is going to bring but will also achieve the balance needed for ships like the defiant.

As far as pets though... Pets don't do much besides give you like 1 turrets worth of damage and projectile damage on ships that can't turn fast enough to use them in actual combat so not a big deal.
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# 15
04-15-2013, 06:13 AM
Given that pet AI is beyond pants-on-head moronic, and the one pet that has the BC doesn't have a torpedo, it's not a big deal.

Though if the next Caitian C-Store ship comes out with the BC, then there's a place for some belligerence.
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# 16
04-15-2013, 06:54 AM
so, a fighter that is created by a separate government in the federation, ships designed that can only be used on the Atrox if i recall, are getting a skill that isn't very useful on pets except for their first attack since they don't use it much. on a FIGHTER rather than frigate class ship.... ehhh might make them do slightly more DPS but not enough to be worried.
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# 17
04-15-2013, 08:10 AM
The Treaty of Algeron that was signed between the RSE and the UFP is why the Feds don't have cloaks on the vast majority of their ships. While looking at it from a gameplay standpoint I could care less if a AI fighter has a battlecloak, it is however a treaty violation for those fighters to even have that cloak. So if canon is being used as a basis to deny something, then the canon reason needs to be applied across the board and not selectively.
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# 18
04-15-2013, 08:23 AM
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The Treaty of Algeron that was signed between the RSE and the UFP is why the Feds don't have cloaks on the vast majority of their ships. While looking at it from a gameplay standpoint I could care less if a AI fighter has a battlecloak, it is however a treaty violation for those fighters to even have that cloak. So if canon is being used as a basis to deny something, then the canon reason needs to be applied across the board and not selectively.
The treaty was ended when the RSE collapsed I mean sure its still there but the treaty doesn't really matter with how weak the RSE is now and there has been no agreement with the NRR to restrict cloaks on fed ships. Really the only reason feds don't have more cloak ships is because of Klingon tears.
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# 19
04-15-2013, 08:25 AM
The Feds don't have cloaks now is not because of Klingon tears its because in The Path to 2409 the president of the UFP reaffirmed the UFP's commitment to the treaty despite the loss of Romulus. So the treaty still stands.
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# 20
04-15-2013, 08:33 AM
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The Feds don't have cloaks now is not because of Klingon tears its because in The Path to 2409 the president of the UFP reaffirmed the UFP's commitment to the treaty despite the loss of Romulus. So the treaty still stands.
That's a meta-game concept, though.

Most Fed ships don't have cloaks simply because it's not canon - even the Defiant was supposed to return its cloak to the Roms after the war. In the game Feds don't have a lot of cloaks because they are part of the KDF identity - it is there game trope. STO's background was written to uphold that trope.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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