Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 247
# 1981
04-15-2013, 05:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fraghul2000 View Post
A torp build will go a long way in that encounter. After being unsatisfied with the performance of my regular escort characters I switched one of my engineers (no projectile spec) to one. 2x rare mk. XI quantums, 2 rare torp doffs, 4 rare mk X quantum consoles, 2x CRF 1, 2x HYIII in a regular 9-console patrol escort. Placed first on CE 5 times in a row so far...
Are you sure your escort was built right? I've done 6 CE missions in the last couple days and took first in 4 of them. I fly a fleet escort.

Having a blast in the CE's!!!
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,069
# 1982
04-15-2013, 07:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kane53 View Post
every time i do hive onslaught on elite i always get ppl that leave cause they keep dieing and it always cause me to fail it
Hive annoys the snot out of me, but I do participate in it occasionally.

Like you, have more often than not found that some teams don't have the staying power and can't understand why their wonderful Escort/rainbow beam cruiser, that "pwns" Starbase Defense, doesn't last more than two minutes in the Hive.

Have to admit though, I 'enjoy' Hive Elite most when using my Fleet Assault Cruiser - respectable DPS, can tank fairly well thanks to EPtA, EPtW and EPtS and can usually stay in one piece for a respectable length of time.

STAR TREK BATTLES - HIGH DPS PLAYERS NEED NOT APPY
Ensign
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 5
# 1983 Fear of the Pug
04-15-2013, 11:50 AM
When Iron Maiden meets STF's:

I am a man who plays alone
And when I'm pugging CSE
At night or queuing ISE

When the timer begins to count
I sometimes feel a little strange
A little anxious when I pug

Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a constant fear the Kang guard
Isn't there
Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a phobia that beamboats
Will be there

Have you run your fingers down
The wall
And have you felt your neck skin crawl
When you're searching for a team?
Sometimes when you're scared
To take a look
At the players on the team
You've sensed that someone's
Using beams

Have you ever done Kithomer Elite
Thought you saw Borg probes behind
And turned around and none are there?
And as you quicken up your pace
You find it hard to look again
Because you're sure there's
Borg probes there

Remember teammates from the night before
Debating roleplay and folklore
The unknown troubles on your mind
Maybe your team is playing tricks
You sense, and suddenly eyes fix
On warping borg probes from behind

Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have constant fear the Kang guard
Isn?t there
Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a phobia that beamboats
Will be there

When I'm Pugging CSE
I am a man who plays alone

Last edited by maxajax; 04-15-2013 at 01:47 PM.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 67
# 1984
04-15-2013, 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fraghul2000 View Post
or why they don't move away, even after they've gotten destroyed in the first shockwave. even if you're sitting at 5 km there is usually enough time to comfortably reverse out. (unless there is a scumbag tholian who disables your engine at exactly that time. :/ )
If you're in a Vesta and have all three consoles, you can hit the perfect shield right before the shockwave and laugh while everyone else goes boom. Or if you really want to be nasty, hit Feedback Pulse and Multi-dimensional Graviton Shield so that no matter what kind of damage the shockwave is it'll get reflected back and take a good chunk out of the CE even if you still go boom. Better if there's multiple Vestas in the group who can all do the same thing and reflect the damage back from multiple ships.
Captain
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 732
# 1985
04-15-2013, 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxajax View Post
When Iron Maiden meets STF's:

I am a man who plays alone
And when I'm pugging CSE
At night or queuing ISE

When the timer begins to count
I sometimes feel a little strange
A little anxious when I pug

Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a constant fear the Kang guard
Isn?t there
Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a phobia that beamboats
Will be there

Have you run your fingers down
The wall
And have you felt your neck skin crawl
When you're searching for a team?
Sometimes when you're scared
To take a look
At the players on the team
You've sensed that someone's
Using beams

Have you ever done Kithomer Elite
Thought you saw Borg probes behind
And turned around and none are there?
And as you quicken up your pace
You find it hard to look again
Because you're sure there's
Borg probes there

Remember teammates from the night before
Debating roleplay and folklore
The unknown troubles on your mind
Maybe your team is playing tricks
You sense, and suddenly eyes fix
On warping borg probes from behind

Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have constant fear the Kang guard
Isn?t there
Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a phobia that beamboats
Will be there

When I'm Pugging CSE
I am a man who plays alone
Nice take on fear of the dark, although it's funny, it does point out a serious flaw with pugs, some people simply don't know how to build a ship and in other cases don't have a clue what to do.
The Emperor protects

Ensign
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 24
# 1986
04-15-2013, 12:35 PM
Bad stf? I've had probably more than my share of them. Three that happened recently stand out in memory however.

First, on elite hive my science friend and I show up along with two other unremarkable players and an engineer in this thing: http://www.stowiki.org/Cruiser_(Fede...ss_.28refit.29

The constitution class refit. An iconic cruiser, yes, but it's tier 2. Not only is flying this in any stf a remarkable choice for a ship, he's got more injuries than can fit in the UI, scrolling right off the side... I know right away we're in trouble. if I'd had any idea how much, I probably would have quit right there. Off like a shot the first thing anyone does is he zooms into the cube swarm with fire at will and aggroes as many as he possibly can; overwhelmed by the sheer volume we all died many times. Finally we get some headway and kill the swarm - by this time we've already lost the first optional. My friend says he's leaving - which is when I finally notice that nobody else is in the stf still except the guy in the constitution who is STILL divebombing into the enemy with fire at will at full impulse... and me. I left the 'enterprize' to its fate.

The next one of note happened quite recently; On khitomer I tend to wind up killing probes on one side since people have an annoying tendency to ignore them. So, three tacs - one in an odyssey, we'll get back to that - go to one side, and an engineer sticks with me in a tholian recluse. Now, I'm all for ship variety, but I'm pretty sure a recluse is a carrier, and as far as I know, carriers are best used by science - but, not my place to judge. He seems to be doing a pretty good job killing the generators and such on my side, and doesn't need my help to stay alive through the cube that pops up from killing them, so while I'm a little put off by it, it's not a big deal. So, half of our side is down... suddenly, the tacs are screaming about too many probes coming through on their side and they can't stop them. The other engineer takes off and goes to help them... At the same time I notice that the three tacs haven't been able to even take down more than a single generator on their side. Hoo boy.

I'm left alone to kill one side's generators and transformer (plus cube) AND the probes. Not easy. I manage, slowly, painfully, grinding my way through the process. On my side the gate is now halfway damaged when I suddenly get tell'd by the tac on the other side in the odyssey that hey, since I'm an engineer in a cruiser, I ought to know some tips about tanking right? (RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU KIDDING?!) I ignore him as an argument in chat erupts between the tacs and other engineer because the engineer isn't tanking or even trying to, and apparently the tacs are getting blown to pieces. He's not setup for tanking, isn't in an appropriate ship... And quite honestly I wouldn't expect him to do so in a carrier. So I point out not so politely to the tacs that I'm killing a gate solo AND killing probes solo. They continue frothing at the mouth about the engineer not helping them as I finally kill my gate. I evasive maneuver over to the other gate just in time to see two probes get through the portal. I dump plasma and do everything I can to slow down the horde as I focus fire them all and slowly grind them down. *I'M THE ONLY ONE DOING THIS* - everyone else is attacking the gate, apparently convinced that I'm capable of handling it all by myself.

*shudder* We get through all of that somehow, and donatra appears. Ignoring me, the tacs immediately *flee* in the other direction and demand the engineer in the recluse tank donatra, causing another argument. Annoyed with everything that's gone on so far I deliberately start the fight and hold aggro throughout it ... while everyone else is much more concerned with getting killed by the spheres she spawns. *sigh* <sarcasm> That stf was lots of fun. </sarcasm>

The last stf of recent memory was definitely the worst of the bunch though. Elite hive again. Four tacs in escorts, one engineer in a cruiser. (me) - I start the pull trying to only get one group. Nope! All four tacs dive into the swarm darwinning themselves. We lose the first optional, but I survive by slowly circling in an S path away from them while focus firing the enemy down.

Second section - v'ger duo. tacs decide killing probes as far as humanly possible from the v'gers is a good idea, and get continually lanced and disintegrated by plasma bolts as a result despite my constant attempts at telling them not to do that. Eventually one of them helps me kill both v'gers. Another optional failed.

Third section - borg queen. Tacs decide getting point blank with the queen while moving as slowly as possible is the best tactic EVER. Queen responds by using aoe death. I warn them not to do it. I cajole them, insult them. no response. A continuous stream of players flying to their death results. I'm left soloing the queen almost entirely by myself because the respawn timer is now quite honestly *insulted* by this lemminglike behavior and is keeping them out of play for minutes now. Despite the queen's best efforts, I win this optional simply by being too hard to kill. Even STO's wacky reward system thought I'd carried that group - I was rewarded with something like 200 marks for that single run. It took almost two hours to do that stf. Never again - but at least I have a good story to tell - and I can truthfully claim that I can solo the borg queen.
Ensign
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 5
# 1987
04-15-2013, 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theraven2378 View Post
Nice take on fear of the dark, although it's funny, it does point out a serious flaw with pugs, some people simply don't know how to build a ship and in other cases don't have a clue what to do.
However it does quite nicely reflect the mood. Some of their songs just lend themselves to this game so nicely.

Like "When Die With Your Boots On meets STF"

Quote:
Yeah! Another player named Riker,
Who says he is the man,
Another player named Riker,
That has another wonderful plan.
Taunting us with Visions,
Afflicting us with fear,
Predicting optionals for millions,
In the hope that one appears.

(Chorus)
No point asking when it is,
No point asking who's to go,
No point asking what's the game,
No point asking who's to blame.
'cos if you're gonna pug, you're gonna fail,
'cos if you're gonna pug, you're gonna fail,

If you're gonna pug, pug with your boots on.
If you're gonna try, just stick around,
Gonna cry, just move along,
If you're gonna pug, you're gonna fail.

In 15 the optional fails,
The teammates did surmise,
Through low DPS and lack of heals,
Donatra will arise.
Terror, Death, Destruction,
Pour from the Scimitar Wings,
But the truth of all predictions,
Is that the fat lady sings.

(Repeat chorus)

They pugged with their boots on, yes they failed...
The day they pug with their boots on, we pug!
WE PUG!
WE PUG!
WE PUG!
WE PUG!
WE PUG!
Now, the moral of the story is multitude. 1, Never trust a player named Riker that can only speak in Capslock. 2, It's not going to get better if you leave the match. 3, Donatra loves beamboats as much as you do.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 126
# 1988
04-15-2013, 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxajax View Post
When Iron Maiden meets STF's:
...
Very nice.

I have been doing ground STFs recently to get the accolades for my alts so I can contribute a ground version:

I am a man who pugs on ground
And when the timer starts to count
I hope the team is moving fast.

But then the pace begins to change
Something feels a little strange
Already three of the team down?

Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a constant fear that these guys are new here
Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a phobia you don't have the right gear

Have you beamed to Starbase 82
And hoped for teammates with a clue
Of how to free the personnel?
Sometimes when you check if all are well
Can't believe it, look again
This guy does not remodulate.

Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a constant fear that this is your first time
Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
Don't pass the trigger line, don't rush in, stay behind

Have you ever been to Vorn at night
To engage Armek in a fight
But there are turrets in the way.
And as you quicken up your pace
You see the turret's still in place
And worker drones already there.

Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a constant fear that this is going wrong
Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
Shoot the small turrets first or this will take too long

When you join the Khitomer Accord
He has no pulsewave but a sword,
"my guns don't work against the borg".
And when he insists to do the room
He does not know now what to do,
The others shoot the spawning drones.

Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a constant fear that teamwipe's always near
Fear of the pug, fear of the pug
I have a phobia that Tosk of Borg wins here.

When players don't show common sense
Humor and patience are my friends.



EDIT: Just after writing this I wanted to do IGE one last time before logging off for today and I was with a great team. We got the optional. Thanks to the people who fought with me. It was an honour.

Last edited by nithanath; 04-15-2013 at 05:07 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,371
# 1989
04-15-2013, 04:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jake81499 View Post
Are you sure your escort was built right? I've done 6 CE missions in the last couple days and took first in 4 of them. I fly a fleet escort.

Having a blast in the CE's!!!
Yep, they're built right and they're grabbing enough first places, to get them all their accolade. (Trying to get the 14 shards on 17 different characters so I've done my share of runs. ).

It's just that my all-energy escorts which have better gear, a better boff & doff setup and whose Tac-captains are skilled much better, yet require more effort, maneuvering etc... than the cruddy T-9 patrol escort I mentioned above. With the crappy torp boat I just sit at 9.0 km at a certain angle above the CE, barely take any damage, just cycle HY and CRF, only having to reverse a bit now and then and still come in first.

So my point is: Kinetic weapons currently seem to be somewhat of an I-win button...
Commander
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 354
# 1990
04-15-2013, 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fraghul2000 View Post
A torp build will go a long way in that encounter. After being unsatisfied with the performance of my regular escort characters I switched one of my engineers (no projectile spec) to one. 2x rare mk. XI quantums, 2 rare torp doffs, 4 rare mk X quantum consoles, 2x CRF 1, 2x HYIII in a regular 9-console patrol escort. Placed first on CE 5 times in a row so far...
After one last "test run", I'm done with it. I'm going to screw off, collect my shards, and call it a day.

This time, I ran in my mirror Luna-class torpedo boat and used every borderline griefer tactic available, and then some, and still failed to even place. That included dumping spreads of tricobalts and PSW/TBR into groups of shards (to run up my own DPS/kill count and deprive others of the same by knocking surviving shards out of CSV area effect), dropping HYT salvos and my bio-neural into the CE itself, ignoring the shockwave to run up my own HPS, and throwing the odd heal at every escort within range to deprive them of self-HPS score (and kill GDF). Didn't die once, and stayed in the thick of it the entire fight.

At this point, I don't know what else I can possibly do to get the damn accolade and I'm through even trying. I ran a ship and gear setup specifically to exploit the encounter mechanics to the hilt, even going so far as to respec my boffs for the run, and still couldn't outperform the escorts while going out of my way to screw them. And, even having "griefed" others in the course of it is over the line for me. "Working as intended" it may be by nominally giving score to healers and CC'ers, but it's still heavily biased enough towards derpy DPS play to undermine any argument that it's as-intended and fair.
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