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# 41
04-19-2013, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
how many people have posted its not all about the turn, its about boff layout and dps too, please read the thread if posting.
if I don't wont to read 3 pages of QQ I don't have to your not the forums poe poe
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It's not their fault you feel trolled by the new ability to be immune to your disco ball, sorry'boutit.
Commander
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# 42
04-19-2013, 01:08 AM
Lame, really, really lame. I started new toon to get myself up to speed (after some break) with game and PvP so that I can fly a DD. But now there is no reason too. For cloak? Gal-X seems to be better choice in that case.

They should have made D'Deridex a battleship - with tac layout and battlecloak (or whatever romulan equivalent). Big, slow turning with enough firpower to decloak and alpha strike someone and the hide again.

Cmdr.
lt.cmdr.

lt.
lt.,
ens.
Captain
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# 43
04-19-2013, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by zarathos1978 View Post
Lame, really, really lame. I started new toon to get myself up to speed (after some break) with game and PvP so that I can fly a DD. But now there is no reason too. For cloak? Gal-X seems to be better choice in that case.

They should have made D'Deridex a battleship - with tac layout and battlecloak (or whatever romulan equivalent). Big, slow turning with enough firpower to decloak and alpha strike someone and the hide again.

Cmdr.
lt.cmdr.

lt.
lt.,
ens.
But with that setup, it would not be true to the IP and had not "roughly the same" firepower as Galaxy and be "tougher" than Galaxy. Kind of dilemma here we have. They made the Galaxy so bad, that now when you use it as benchmark for similar ships, you will always end up with a crappy ship.

There is only one way out of this mess. Improve the Galaxy, improve the D'Deridex...

Last edited by dalnar83; 04-19-2013 at 01:23 AM.
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# 44
04-19-2013, 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by skollulfr View Post
promethius: "advanced escort"(trololololol)

Dimensions : Length : 415 m2
Beam : 163 m3
Height : 64 m3
Decks : 15

Mass :
2,100,000 metric tons
turn rate 15


cheyenne: "heavy cruiser"
Dimensions : Length : 394 m2
Beam : 250 m
Height : 113 m
Decks : 20
Mass : 1,305,000 metric tons
turn rate 8
source

its pretty obvious where the devs interests are.
unless the deri gets re-branded it will get scudded hardcore, because if it didnt there would be no room for the excuses used to leave the big ships in this game as targets for ships that amount to being star fighters. and no excuse for leaving similar sized ships so out of whack with each other just to keep the bogus 'class' stats.
Did...did you just use DITL.org as a source?
Seriously?
Everything on that page that is in white letters in fanfiction and the guy who made the site even admitted it sometimes contradicts established facts.
I suggest you read the colour key (a button in the upper right corner) for that site.

"White Text : Anything in white is my own invention. Sometimes this is just extrapolation - I guesstimated that the Nebula class has eight phaser arrays compared to the Galaxy classes twelve, for example, because the Nebula class is slightly smaller so probably slightly less powerful. But here and there I have gone into invention meltdown, inventing entire histories for ships about which we know little. Now and again I have even made up new backgrounds to known events just to make them sound a bit more dramatic. So be warned, if it's in white you can take it or leave it!"
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# 45
04-19-2013, 02:36 AM
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But with that setup, it would not be true to the IP
Actually, it would. There was episode with DD going out of cloak with alpha strike on Enterprise-D, crippling her with one pass. such setup would be perfectly true to the IP. Each time DD was fighting in the open it was loosing. Each time it was showing knifes in the enemy backs out of cloak - it was master of the day.

But it would not happen. Not in Escorts Online.
Captain
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# 46
04-19-2013, 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by zarathos1978 View Post
Actually, it would. There was episode with DD going out of cloak with alpha strike on Enterprise-D, crippling her with one pass. such setup would be perfectly true to the IP. Each time DD was fighting in the open it was loosing. Each time it was showing knifes in the enemy backs out of cloak - it was master of the day.

But it would not happen. Not in Escorts Online.
Judging by series appearence can be misleading. The only time you saw G-X on screen for example, it shoot through Negh'Var and destroyed it before it could do anything...?

The moral of the story is. STO DD is going to be bad, because G-R is bad..or rather because the dev responsible for it's stats stubborny refuses to admit it.
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# 47
04-19-2013, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by dalnar83 View Post
[...]
The moral of the story is. STO DD is going to be bad, because G-R is bad..or rather because the dev responsible for it's stats stubborny refuses to admit it.
I would rather believe that the dev in question has some reasons for believing that a boff layout like that of the Galaxy-R is actually useful for something. I wonder what those reasons might be, though.

Maybe they will update more engineer boff abilities in the coming weeks?
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# 48
04-19-2013, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sophlogimo View Post
I would rather believe that the dev in question has some reasons for believing that a boff layout like that of the Galaxy-R is actually useful for something. I wonder what those reasons might be, though.

Maybe they will update more engineer boff abilities in the coming weeks?
Maybe in this decade, yes. But maybe not.
Rihannsu
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# 49
04-19-2013, 03:22 AM
I've flown Pretty much every ship in the game. The Galaxy Layout IS THE MOST USELESS. Three fracking Ensign Engineers. THREE. Emergency Power to I'm Screwed now. Seriously. If they want this ship as well as the Negh'var and the Galaxy Retrofit to get ANY good use they need to create NEW Ensign Level Abilities for Tac, Sci and Eng. Because this is getting annoying. This game is Three years old now and the only new abilities have come from Universal Consoles. CAN WE HAVE SOME CREATIVITY PLEASE. every ship build has been done to death. Even as a PVPer I think of builds in my sleep and it pains me to even look at These three ships now.
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# 50
04-19-2013, 03:39 AM
1.) This discussion belongs in the Tribble forum.


2.) The boff layout does look sub-optimal, especially given the so-far-unrecanted changes to Emergency Power skills. It used to be that a layout like this invited dual copies of EPTW1 and an engineering team, which was alright.

3.) As far as ship metrics.. That 2 is supposed to be a 5, pretty much guaranteed. Yes, with a turn rate like that it will handle like a dying whale beached on ice. However, consider the D'deridex also gets a battle cloak. For those who haven't used one on the BOPs before, unlike a regular cloaking device the battle cloak can be turned on even if you're in the middle of combat. It's a powerful tool for BOPs, it might be even more powerful for a big ship with the hull points and armor to survive those lucky parting torpedoes. There's no other heavy cruiser with a battle cloak to compare it to.

4.) Do not ignore the unique feature of the Romulan ships, the "singularity core". The plasma burst on the starter ship doesn't really thrill me purely because it takes so long to charge up, but that may change as you go up ship tiers. The D'deridex shipyard page also claims to have 5 different abilities that it can use in relation to its singularity core.


So.... Wait and see, is my suggestion. They may remove their Cryptic Fix to EPTx, and the rest of the ship has enough unknowns going for it that we really need to see it in action.
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