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# 91
04-19-2013, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
Considering the Dev who statted the ship said flat out the turn rate on the T4 D'Deridex is supposed to be 5.5 (as opposed to the 5 that's currently displaying), I don't think it's a placeholder.
I don't see how that precludes tweaking the BOff layout? You just said, even the turn rate is presently wrong (slightly too slow) and needs to be changed. Why not the BOff slots, too?
Captain
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# 92
04-19-2013, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jexsamx View Post
I don't see how that precludes tweaking the BOff layout? You just said, even the turn rate is presently wrong (slightly too slow) and needs to be changed. Why not the BOff slots, too?
Take a look at the responses Archon has put up in the LoR ship feedback thread. If the seating and statting was as wrong as you want it to be, would he be working as hard to defend it?

Besides, ships displaying incorrect turn rates isn't exactly new. Ships displaying wildly incorrect BOFF seating, not so much.
Captain
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# 93
04-19-2013, 12:34 PM
They cannot raise the turn rate of DD and still claim they are following the IP, there is simply no room since they gimp the Galaxy with 6 turn rate and it is used as benchmark for DD performance.
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# 94
04-19-2013, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dalnar83 View Post
They cannot raise the turn rate of DD and still claim they are following the IP, there is simply no room since they gimp the Galaxy with 6 turn rate and it is used as benchmark for DD performance.
Unless they unbork the Galaxy (and preferably other cruisers in the process).

Kind of like how the entire EPtX fiasco (since it's apparently driven by the notion that "emergency power" shouldn't be available all the time) could be entirely avoided by removing the word "emergency" from the power names.

Sometimes to fix a problem, you have to redefine it.
Captain
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# 95
04-19-2013, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by skollulfr View Post
im guessing the mogai will be a km wide escort for all the sense this game makes.

For all intents and purposes, that's pretty much exactly what Mogai are in this game
Survivor of Remus
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# 96
04-19-2013, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
The D"Deridex was also supposed to have more firepower then the Galaxy, which is why Picard was always hesitant to fight one solo, and prefered to talk, or have allies like Klingon Vorcha's show up to help. I don't think the Enterprise itself ever managed to solo a D'Deridex.

So while I would like a little better turn, that is not the main fault I see in it, I am concerned with the boff layout mostly. I know this game is slanted towards cannons, I use DHC on everything that can mount them, even a Bortasqu, I am experienced enough to make slow turn ships work with DHC, but I can't do it if it has the horrible boff layout of a Galaxy. If they are going to make the ship have bad turn, it better get 5 tac consoles and Lt Cmdr tac at least like a bort does.
Unless I missed something while reading, it can't equip DHC or DC.

Also, I am against this kinda of call for homogenous ship classes. Yeah, we have a problem: Engineering and Science powers (apart from some heals) suck and have long cooldowns and need to be improved. FIght for this, rather than avoid the problem and demand that all engineering and science heavy ships play like escorts.

There is no reason why every cruiser should have more than a LT tac slot.
Captain
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# 97
04-19-2013, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by originpi View Post
There is no reason why every cruiser should have more than a LT tac slot.
You mean, except for the dps oriented content that doesn't generally need dedicated tanks or healers?
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 98
04-19-2013, 02:10 PM
This is the same Boff Layout I also want for the Breen Sarr Theln WarCarrier

Commander Eng
LTCM Sci.
Ens Eng
Lt Tac
Lt Tac

But honestly I would PREFER an Ambassador Layout for D'Deridex Retrofit.

Last edited by captainbmoney; 04-19-2013 at 02:29 PM.
Captain
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# 99
04-19-2013, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by reynoldsxd View Post
no. Cryptic has a really bad track record on this kind of issue so piping up NOW is the right time to do it. Especially if they expect people to dump money on their expansion.
What I see here is people looking at the first iteration of a ship on Tribble, a full month before it's going to be released, and then pissing and moaning about it being a failure. Ya'll are ripping the devs a new one over what's effectively an incomplete prototype of what will be released.

As for the starter/legacy packs. . .that's a gamble you'll have to take. I don't recommend it, even though you're 'saving' money. . .because I don't actually know what's gonna end up on Holodeck, and neither does any other player. Only someone with money to throw away would buy these packs. It's like pre-ordering a console game only to find it's crap, and then whining about how you threw away money.

So, I'll say it again: JUST SIT DOWN AND WAIT, STOP SPECULATING. Save your scathing criticisms and complaints for when it's released, and reserve the constructive criticism for the Tribble feedback sections.
Captain
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# 100
04-19-2013, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by travelingmaster View Post
What I see here is people looking at the first iteration of a ship on Tribble, a full month before it's going to be released, and then pissing and moaning about it being a failure. Ya'll are ripping the devs a new one over what's effectively an incomplete prototype of what will be released.
The best time to complain about this stuff is before it is released, because people are actively working on it. After release, the people who would be doing the changes get reassigned to other stuff and it gets exponentially harder.
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