Lieutenant
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 55
# 11
04-29-2013, 12:11 AM
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since this game is pay to win, why don't they just put a roll/pass button on it instead of need or greed and that eliminates all of this discussion.
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Originally Posted by daan2006 View Post
this^^^^^ and plus there will always bee some one greedy
Not really. In public I always hit need since everyone always hits need. But when with fleetmates it's always greed unless you really need the item. If everyone hits greed, the computer decides randomly. If more than one hit need, the computer randomly decides between them. Very fair way. If you don't trust your fleet that much, why are you with them?
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Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 366
# 12
04-29-2013, 12:38 AM
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In Public ques, expect everyone else to need on everything. They never greed.
It it really that bad in STO? In TOR (the only other MMO I play) people from the queues (team finder) don't have such problems. Default choice, as far as I noticed, is greed, with need chosen only if someone really needs something for himself. Some choose need for stuff for their companions, but really - most of rolls I usually see are greeds.

What's so bad in STO players, that they behave like dicks?
Captain
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,158
# 13
04-29-2013, 12:53 AM
It's less about any particular desire to be a **** as it is that nearly everything is vendortrash and everyone needs more EC, the culture has established itself as "Always Just Hit Need", and the pace of action is such that you don't really have time to pay much attention to such irritations. I have it just simply keybound into my mash button, so I don't even pay attention, I just blindly Hoover up everything in sight. None of this stuff actually binds anymore, so there is no reason to be careful, even in a fleet-based event. If someone wants something, they can claim it after the battle is over when we wave about the choice loots we found. Heck, I personally just set it to classic FFA, and we run a ninja-looting minigame.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 229
# 14
04-29-2013, 01:58 AM
Look, it's not about the economics or the morality.

IF you don't choose, you default to PASS.

But that pop-up obscures a small part of the screen and you want to get rid of it? IF so, you have to choose and if you feel that the small amount of vendortrash EC is worth it? Pick NEED.

Otherwise, from just the ergonomics side, you should pick NEED since it's already bound to CTRL+Q and it's really too much trouble to select GREED or PASS (or worse, spend a minute to redo the keybinds).

*If you think the amount of EC is trivial, by all means just pick PASS (you can keybind CTRL+Q to select PASS instead). Personally, this kitteh's going to choose NEED unless the host says otherwise or the inventory gets full.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 866
# 15
04-29-2013, 03:29 AM
Need and greed is a complete waste of time. Just hit need to get rid of the stupid pop-ups. 99% of drops are garbage that gets dumped at the nearest bartender anyway. Or discarded if the inventory is full.

Nobody needs the items, everybody needs the EC. Asking players if they want free items is a stupid question that distracts from the game and wastes everyones time having to close the pop-ups. I wish they would get rid of the need and greed and just distributed the loot randomly.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,212
# 16
04-29-2013, 06:39 AM
PUG = Need
that's all you need to know.
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Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,373
# 17
04-29-2013, 06:48 AM
Even in Fleet we just hit Need. If something nice dropped we just pass it to whoever needs it, otherwise it's all vendor trash. Just hitting Ctrl-Q means you don't need to pay attention to whatever dropped, reducing distraction.

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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 135
# 18
04-29-2013, 07:18 AM
I haven't seen a decent landscape drop in years...just need everything; it's the only way to do it at the moment.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 625
# 19
04-29-2013, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by zarathos1978 View Post
It it really that bad in STO? In TOR (the only other MMO I play) people from the queues (team finder) don't have such problems. Default choice, as far as I noticed, is greed, with need chosen only if someone really needs something for himself. Some choose need for stuff for their companions, but really - most of rolls I usually see are greeds.

What's so bad in STO players, that they behave like dicks?
I think it is more of a system that because there will be one player who will always need even if they don't really need it in a PUG then everyone will just need to keep it fair. Since there is no loot drop bind on pickup items anymore and it is very easy to send to an alt, you can't prove that someone does not need that item. Plus 99% of loot in STO is classless unlike TOR where you can say "hey you are a bounty hunter what do you need a Jedi item for?".

In all the premade groups I've played in only a couple of times has anyone still needed on everything after agreeing on our "Need only if you REALLY Need" policy. And they didn't get to play with our fleet ever again.
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Lieutenant
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 53
# 20
04-29-2013, 10:05 AM
Well,after reading this thread I think I will start needing on everything aswell; be it an (borg) stf or just a regular fleetaction...

Yesterday I saw a purple mkXI monotanium drop in starbase 24... I needed ('Need') it, but so did everybody else; result is I got a stack of airmolecules in my inventory but not that thing I wanted (to sell...).

And yes, I am playing in public que's.

I like to think of myself of 'being correct; the nice guy'.
Well, I can take only so much bull****, so I will start to rob everybody of their chance for a decent drop (that they will most probably also sell... that guy with the purple mono probably made a good ec out of it...)

This is it. From now on I will N E E D everything, even if its just a friggin' white, common mkX phaser array... Its all ec...

Dont blame me, blame the game...

Peace
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