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Survivor of Romulus
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# 81
04-29-2013, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by aveimperator View Post
News flash, people:

Star Trek is about Starfleet! Always has been! Every series! TOS! TNG! Voyager! Enterprise! DS9! Every single one! It's about Starfleet! This double-faction thing was a "WoW did it so we have to too!" symptom.

Now, I'm all for the KDF being developed up, I really am. But FFS people, get it through your heads that the Star Trek spotlight is, and always has been, on STARFLEET captains. Almost every single Season that's come out has included a lot of Klingon updates and every time something new is added to the game, it's available to everyone, so seriously, WHAT is your PROBLEM? Specifically. I really would like to know. Your ships are better. You have just as many ships, probably more, actually, with all the Gorn/Orion/Naussican warships. Marauding > Diplomacy. Only thing that *I* noticed in my experience leveling up a KDF character was that, yes, there are fewer PVE missions, but with all the Featured Series available to everyone, it doesn't matter, because you hit VA long before you finish them all.
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Lieutenant
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# 82
04-29-2013, 05:08 PM
Newsflash: This is an MMO - a GAME - not the limited TV series, movies, etc. It has to be fully playable 24/7, and for ALL players - not just a 30-min story once a week, or 2 hrs every 5 years or so.

WOW wasn't the first, nor will it be the last to have more than one fully functioning and mutually hostile factions.
"...just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that." - Dan Stahl

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Captain
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# 83
04-29-2013, 05:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aveimperator View Post
News flash, people:

Star Trek is about Starfleet! Always has been! Every series! TOS! TNG! Voyager! Enterprise! DS9! Every single one! It's about Starfleet! This double-faction thing was a "WoW did it so we have to too!" symptom.

Now, I'm all for the KDF being developed up, I really am. But FFS people, get it through your heads that the Star Trek spotlight is, and always has been, on STARFLEET captains. Almost every single Season that's come out has included a lot of Klingon updates and every time something new is added to the game, it's available to everyone, so seriously, WHAT is your PROBLEM? Specifically. I really would like to know. Your ships are better. You have just as many ships, probably more, actually, with all the Gorn/Orion/Naussican warships. Marauding > Diplomacy. Only thing that *I* noticed in my experience leveling up a KDF character was that, yes, there are fewer PVE missions, but with all the Featured Series available to everyone, it doesn't matter, because you hit VA long before you finish them all.
And KEEPING it focused on the Starfleet good-guys is boring as sh*t. Seriously. It may have worked for the show, because they needed to have 'relate-able' cast members. . .but it's terribly limiting for an MMO or any kind of game format.

Ships are better? Not always. There are tradeoffs. Federation has their strengths, KDF has their own. More ships? Hahaha. . .maybe if you consider the entire spectrum from Tier 1 to Tier 5.5. Federation have a LOT more variety in terms of end-game ships (which, when it comes to ship variety, matters more). Marauding > Diplomacy? I dunno, don't really care for that stuff.

Yes, we have fewer PVE missions. You may not care, since you're obviously the type of player who both rushes blindly through a game without sampling all the creative content. . .but plenty of KDF players care. Not to mention that the 'Featured Series' and other cross-faction content is mostly written from a Federation standpoint. Hardly qualifies as cross-faction in terms of perspective.
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# 84
04-29-2013, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hjorlwulf View Post
Newsflash: This is an MMO - a GAME - not the limited TV series, movies, etc. It has to be fully playable 24/7, and for ALL players - not just a 30-min story once a week, or 2 hrs every 5 years or so.

WOW wasn't the first, nor will it be the last to have more than one fully functioning and mutually hostile factions.
Agreed. With the TV show, they generally stuck with the Federation and a majority human/human-looking cast, in order to make the characters more 'relate-able'. That's far from necessary in a game setting.

Practically all Star Trek games have featured multiple playable races/factions, usually with all of them being treated equally in terms of how fleshed out they were. STO is an unfortunate break from that pattern, with the clear sucking up to Federation fanboys who have lots of money.
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# 85
04-29-2013, 06:11 PM
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Yes, we have fewer PVE missions. You may not care, since you're obviously the type of player who both rushes blindly through a game without sampling all the creative content. . .
Sorry, what? I've been around since Beta and played every single friggin' mission in the game with the exception of Enter the Hive (Ground) and frequently got yelled at by teammates because I actually took the time to READ the mission briefing and all the pop-ups because I cared about the story and wanted to know what was going on. So don't go making assumptions about me as a person or player without any basis whatsoever, you just make yourself look like an ignorant asshat.

Now, I never said STO should STAY focused on Starfleet, I just pointed out that when people hear "Star Trek" they think "Starfleet," and KDF players need to accept that. You're an "add-on" faction. Get used to it. However, I don't agree that STO IS focused on Starfleet, nor has it been since...Season 1, really. Every major update has included either universal content or strictly KDF content. I referenced that in a previous post, but Bitemepwi buried it under trolling, ignoring the points.

[quote]...with the clear sucking up to Federation fanboys who have lots of money.[quote]

See top comment about "Star Trek = Starfleet" to almost anyone who hears it. Secondly, do KDF players not have money? Third, like any game, this is a business. No money from KDF = no toys for KDF. Simple business practice. Yes, damn them for not catering to a minority that doesn't pay for anything. They must not be liberals.

As for your ships, I continue to maintain that, pound for pound, KDF has better ships. For Feds, this is Escorts Online, but all KDF ships are viable, though Raptors aren't very popular, as I understand it. So perhaps Feds have more ships in number, but KDF has more ships that aren't a joke and they're always better than the Fed counterpart. KDF started with a carrier (Vo'Quv), then got the Kar'Fi, which is simply amazing. Feds eventually got the Atrox...which is barely on par with the Vo'Quv and is outclassed by the Kar'Fi. Lockbox/Lobi ships don't enter into this because they're available to both factions.

Last edited by aveimperator; 04-29-2013 at 06:13 PM.
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# 86
04-29-2013, 08:11 PM
Trolls be trolling. Feed them if you wish.
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Last edited by bitemepwe; 04-29-2013 at 08:18 PM.
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# 87
04-29-2013, 11:17 PM
Y'know, Bitemepwi, every time you respond to one of my posts, you blatantly ignore anything I've said and simply call me a troll. You never take the time to respond to anything IN my post, present points of your own to counter mine. There's no debate, just insults and accusations of trolling. I'm actually trying to open debate and dialogue by referencing the game and it's updates and pointing out sources. All you've done in response is insult me and call me a troll without actually contributing anything of substance.

We can disagree, but let's at least TRY to keep it semi-civil, if you're capable of that, and at least have a dialogue and debate before we agree to disagree.
Lt. Commander
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# 88
04-30-2013, 03:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aveimperator View Post
News flash, people:

Star Trek is about Starfleet! Always has been! Every series! TOS! TNG! Voyager! Enterprise! DS9! Every single one! It's about Starfleet! This double-faction thing was a "WoW did it so we have to too!" symptom.

Now, I'm all for the KDF being developed up, I really am. But FFS people, get it through your heads that the Star Trek spotlight is, and always has been, on STARFLEET captains. Almost every single Season that's come out has included a lot of Klingon updates and every time something new is added to the game, it's available to everyone, so seriously, WHAT is your PROBLEM? Specifically. I really would like to know. Your ships are better. You have just as many ships, probably more, actually, with all the Gorn/Orion/Naussican warships. Marauding > Diplomacy. Only thing that *I* noticed in my experience leveling up a KDF character was that, yes, there are fewer PVE missions, but with all the Featured Series available to everyone, it doesn't matter, because you hit VA long before you finish them all.
This possibly one of the dumbest things I've read on these forums. While the series and movies are generally about Starfleet (although there are individual episodes focused for the most part on Klingons as in TNG: A Matter of Honor or Cardassians as in DS9: Return to Grace) Star Trek as a whole is not just about the Federation and Starfleet. There have been tons of novels about various alien cultures. We even had a PC game named Klingon Academy a decade ago which was a financial success in contrast to most Starfleet-based games.
And in an MMO you need multiple fully developed factions (ideally 3 if the MMO involves PvP) to add a sense of competition and immersion.

Last edited by lord7tareq; 04-30-2013 at 03:56 AM.
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# 89
04-30-2013, 07:10 AM
Read again. I said "trolls" implying more than one. If you are posting based off of your post stating on the previuos page of "doing it to rattle klingon cages" then you may be trolling.
If you are not keeping to that afore mentioned post then you may not be trolling.

Iether way many have said they have no concerns that a fed pet has battle cloaking in this thread so any fed posts pushing the KDF whine motif are trolling since said whine is all but non existant in this thread.

My do not feed the troll remark was to my fellow KDF to not feed the thread.
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Lieutenant
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# 90
04-30-2013, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by illcadia View Post
I kid, but I thought I'd pre-empt the inevitable 'omg trek is teh overz' thread since they'll start up as more people hit T5 science and the old 'the feds are stealing our uniquenessez!' guys come out of hiding.
Lol, has enyone else noticed this? =P

And were they ever hidding in the first place?

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