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# 2081
04-30-2013, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by theodrim View Post
Complains about other people not helping themselves, or knowing what to do in a game.

Runs "a few hundred or better yet a few thousand STF's" and still doesn't understand "don't PuG".

Continues to PuG, complains about it. Doesn't do anything to help others, even though it's been explained to him it's in his, unenlightened even, self-interest to do so.

Still doesn't understand the irony of complaining about players who don't help themselves, while doing nothing to help himself.
Lauging and giggling away at this.

If you care to read more than one or two of the bad experiances in this thread you might soon realize that at least 75% of them are the result of people not knowning how to TURN THEIR CHAT SCREENS ON! So If you want to try to teach those guys anything, go for it. If you say you ARE teaching them, you are lying.

Secondly, the so called organized groups such as out of ELITESTF are JUST AS CORRUPTED as an unorganized Pug. I do fleet pugs if I want a guaranteed win and even a few of those turn out bad.

Third, Pugs are fun... Without Pugs, WE'D NOT HAVE THE FUN OF POSTING BAD STFs.

Forth, If you don't want to read about bad STF's, there is pleanty more on the forums to read about. You might try one of the 'How to build your ship' threads.

Have a wonderful day.
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# 2082
04-30-2013, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jake81499 View Post
Lauging and giggling away at this.
Secondly, the so called organized groups such as out of ELITESTF are JUST AS CORRUPTED as an unorganized Pug. I do fleet pugs if I want a guaranteed win and even a few of those turn out bad.
what are you talking about? someone said on this forum that those players are really good. like publicelitestf is for those who know a bit less, and elitestf is for the really high dps players (atleast like above 2k or something, but they probably cheat)
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# 2083
04-30-2013, 06:00 AM
I would have to disagree. The people from PublicEliteSTF are some of the best PVE players I have seen - never once have I had an issue with them.

Completely unrelated to STFs, but since there is no thread for this...

I was in Crystalline Entity a few days ago. Note that CC is nowhere near as hard as the one last year... however, we failed it. Too many noobs warped out, and in the end, four people (3 cruisers and an escort) were not enough to overcome the Crystalline's heal rate. Worst part is, the Crystalline's health was at 15% before people started warping out.

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# 2084
04-30-2013, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ferdzso0 View Post
what are you talking about? someone said on this forum that those players are really good. like publicelitestf is for those who know a bit less, and elitestf is for the really high dps players (atleast like above 2k or something, but they probably cheat)
Sometimes you'll get a pretty good group out of ELITESTF and sometimes you won't. I'm still a member of both and I've seen it go both ways. But since, of all the STF's I enjoy the crud out of CSN, I haven't done much with the Elite groups in a while. I much rather do fleet if I'm doing anything Elite.

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# 2085 CE Crash
04-30-2013, 06:11 AM
I just did a CE and the game crashed at 25%. I tried to reload and it wouldn't go. I had to reboot the computer. When I arrived back in the game it had just ended. I didn't get my loot.

Darn it.
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# 2086
04-30-2013, 07:34 AM
Worst experience?

We started Khitomer vortex fantasitcally. The Tac cube died on a good speed. I use team chat to ask everybody where they were going: everybody went to kill of generators. Me, being in a Fleet Excelsior and in the full knowledge that my DPS can't possibly handle 2 gates at a time, spotted one of the 4 going afk. I stopped the probes of one gate while the other two vanished into the Vortex. Then, one of the team members shouted: "Why is nobody stopping probes?" and then he punched his ship back to Earth Spacedock. So we had 2 people on the gate and me on 4 probes, launching every ability I have to be able to stop 3 probes at a time. By this time, I sent out a plea of help in every chat I could think of, and then things got a little better. A friend of me found our match and warped his excellently-equipped Atrox in, relieving me of probe duty. I rushed to kill the first cube (the other 2 already had a stack of injuries from fighting it, while the cube didn't even had a dent in its shields) and solo that thing into oblivion. I destroy all generators and cubes, but keep the transformers intact to prevent more than 4 probes spawning at a time. Then one of the other players yells that we missed the optional because of probes coming through, set a course for Sol and left at warp 9. After a cruel slow battle we finally managed to kill off the gates, with 9 probes coming through the Vortex.

Then came Donatra. Me and the Atrox knew to stay out of her cloaking border, but the 3rd guy (with already every possible injury to his guns he could have) went being a bag of skittles withing 30 centimeter of Donatra. She cloaked again and again, only decloaking to fire her big gun, which 9 out of 10 times killed that skittle escort (if he wasn't dead because of Donatra's forward guns already). The AFK'er then moved a meter of 20 to prevent the AFK disconnection and sat silent again. Ultimately I aborted combat, grabbed a Plasma Torpedo Launcher Mk X common that I gained from loot of a Tractor probe, and after another 10 minutes the plasma damaged finally caused Donatra's singularity core to overload and pop.

The AFK'er went in, grabbed his loot and left the system. The skittle escort, having every possible injury he could have, flied at impulse 3 (all his ship could handle) towards his rewards. I grabbed mine, and so did the Atrox. And ofcourse: 60 marks, 1 processor and a useless console which I sold for 5000 ec.

It took me a few days before flying into Infected again, only to spot the same Skittle escort who obviously didn't think he should have repaired his ship.



Anybody having a more miserable story than this?
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# 2087
04-30-2013, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ferdzso0 View Post
I tend to do that, if there is one guy who is very vocal about ordering people around. its fun to annoy them with stupid questions while doing something seemingly stupid. and in the end somehow we manage to get the optional, but ofc it is the others' hard work that brought it, because I am a noob ^^ except I deal 40-50% of the dmg of the whole round, but lets just say that is because they are typing and trying to prove I am doing it wrong
You are thankfully not the kind of person I'm talking about. I've had noobs on cure space elite immediately attack a cube once its nanite probes are dead for instance and tell me that I'm wrong when I tell them that's going to kill us. Then the raptors spawn at the other two cubes, we aren't ready for it, and lose the kang.

I've also seen more than one group of players on khitomer space elite completely ignore the probes on both sides. I'll typically pick one side up in this case and we'll lose the optional, so I tell them why. ... One occasion I was even told that the optional was 'too hard' - we wound up losing, period.

I don't argue with people while fighting. If someone's going to argue with me that I'm wrong I clam up and just deal with it, and let them discover I'm right or prove me wrong. As you rightly point out, I don't have the time to do that AND fight.

... I certainly hope it was NOT you whom I met in a khitomer instance once that asked me about tanking while I was 1 manning a gate, probes transformer and a cube. My reply was short and unprintable.

In any case, while I think a player doing what you describe would probably drive me crazy, I wouldn't talk to them while I was busy. So we'd win and things would sort themselves out. I'd probably at the end of the instance be deeply confused how we had won though.
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# 2088
04-30-2013, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by hikaru1024 View Post
You are thankfully not the kind of person I'm talking about. I've had noobs on cure space elite immediately attack a cube once its nanite probes are dead for instance and tell me that I'm wrong when I tell them that's going to kill us. Then the raptors spawn at the other two cubes, we aren't ready for it, and lose the kang.
I am exactly like that. except I know when to do it, so we would not loose (at most the optional, but that only through time, meaning that I am defending the kang from two sides of raptors, and the rest are doing crap dps)

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Originally Posted by hikaru1024 View Post
In any case, while I think a player doing what you describe would probably drive me crazy, I wouldn't talk to them while I was busy. So we'd win and things would sort themselves out. I'd probably at the end of the instance be deeply confused how we had won though.
yeah, typing is messing up your rythm and timers. in my case the same could be said about TS. tho I dunno why my old fleet did not like when they were yelling at me not understanding why I am doing something and I told them to "do not talk to me", or "I know what I am doing, dont tell me to do a stupid thing instead"
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# 2089
04-30-2013, 10:33 AM
The worst ones for me happen when at the start I ask "So, what's our plan" and NO ONE responds. Usually everyone flies off in a random direction shooting everything in sight. They defend nothing. The secondary fails and at least one jacka$$ decides to blame everybody (but not themselves) for that failure. Then the primary usually fails too.

I don't mind failing the missions much, it is slightly irritating to invest time on losing.
What I do mind is when the first (and sometimes only) communication from any of my teammates is to blame someone else.
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# 2090
04-30-2013, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ferdzso0 View Post
I am exactly like that. except I know when to do it, so we would not loose (at most the optional, but that only through time, meaning that I am defending the kang from two sides of raptors, and the rest are doing crap dps)



yeah, typing is messing up your rythm and timers. in my case the same could be said about TS. tho I dunno why my old fleet did not like when they were yelling at me not understanding why I am doing something and I told them to "do not talk to me", or "I know what I am doing, dont tell me to do a stupid thing instead"
Sometimes, you need to be more...you know, diplomatic.

I am often in the same situation. There's always someone typing "Who blew the cube, now we're finished!"....well, I'm most certainly not going to wait for "the ceiling to fall on my head" so that we can do rmlrml. Typing is a wasted time, if someone doesn't know how to do an elite mission, his/hers place isn't in one. And I'm really tired already to repeat that the "Stay at least 5km off her" rule doesn't work. Get as close as you can and punish her with CVS3-TT-TS3-EPtW3-APB or whatever you have! Makes life much easier.

What's your opinion - can 2 men get the optionals with 30k+ sustained DPS? I finally managed to break through the 10k barrier in ISE without re-spec-ing.


My primary way of doing STFs is PuG-ing. I rarely do fleet runs - did one the other night - 4 space eSTFs for 38 minutes, the time between the missions included. But my best times on each of the 3 STFs (learned not to pug Hive the hard way) have been done with pugs, and there's rarely been a single TAC captain in the teams. So....what we share here are the worst of the worst cases - there are many times more that are good ones. Generally you can tell by the end of the 1st minute whether the team is poor, good or really awesome.
"Don't PuG" in not an answer - it takes all the fun away.

P.S> I was watching Real vs Borrusia, so the post is a little fragmented
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