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# 11
05-03-2013, 10:22 AM
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No worries, it's a horse that needs a good beating. As long as there are people who will call out Cryptic for not adhering to novel continuity (which is not a thing), the horse will not die.
Haha! Again, you make a good point
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# 12
05-03-2013, 12:15 PM
It doesnt matter about whether it is soft or hard or fluffy, STO uses the material so its fair game.

I agree with Azurian about the BOP's name and the Voodieh. However, I do disagree about the Hermes, its been over a hundred years since the TOS Hermes. Then again the same argument can be made with the BOP and the Drone.

Will the drone be the science ship? Will it have a new name? Hopefully not Raptor-class.
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# 13
05-03-2013, 12:32 PM
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I agree with Azurian about the BOP's name and the Voodieh. However, I do disagree about the Hermes, its been over a hundred years since the TOS Hermes. Then again the same argument can be made with the BOP and the Drone.
In modern times reusing a ship-class name is okay but given in Star Trek itself there is little change over hundreds of years and there are plenty of names that they could've used.

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Will the drone be the science ship? Will it have a new name? Hopefully not Raptor-class.
I like to know what it would be named too since the Novel's used T'Liss for that ship's name, and Cryptic went ahead and used it for the BoP.

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They kind of have to, considering depending on which novels you go by:

A. The Enterprise E is either still in service, destroyed, or decommissioned, and is captained by one of four people.
B. The Enterprise F either doesn't exist yet, is a Sovereign class, Enterprise class, or an unnamed class with MVAM (the last one is technically a future that was wiped out by temporal/dimensional shenanigans), and also has several possible captains
C. The Borg are either gone completely, defeated but not destroyed, a minor threat, or still basically invincible except by plot beams from the deflector dish. They're also either fully adapted, still weak, or even weaker than before to transphasic torpedoes and other weapons future-Janeway brought back.
D. Romulus is either destroyed, the center of an anti-Khitomer Accord alliance, or an unlikely bridge of peace between warring factions.
E. Various characters are either dead, alive, assimilated, or still in the wormhole.


The novels can't be reconciled with each other, let alone STO.
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Considering the novels are soft canon, they're allowed to do that. If any of the novels events were shown in film or tv, then it'd be different.

No offense, but Duh.

That's what I was pointing out, since there is no continuity in these Star Trek novels, then Cryptic picks and choses what they like and what they don't like. And they brag about how STO is canon, so does the books they took from these novels get canonized? No, they don't.

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And it's a good thing too since novel writers do the same.


Yes, it's mostly personal preference listed here, but what I'm really getting at is that the devs have a pretty cool story they're telling, and not all of the novels coincide with that story, nor do all the novels coincide with each other.
The discussion isn't how authors do it, but how Cryptic does it.

Authors know their novels aren't canon, but Cryptic brags STO is canon, so they are taking someone elses work and making like they own by using the name, but not the intention as they made it canon. In a way, its like plagarism.
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# 14
05-03-2013, 12:36 PM
First, they haven't said anything resembling that since around FE3, and second, you're distorting their meaning.
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# 15
05-03-2013, 12:39 PM
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First, they haven't said anything resembling that since around FE3, and second, you're distorting their meaning.
Kind of hard to distort when they say it point blank on occasion.
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# 16
05-03-2013, 12:40 PM
When has Cryptic bragged about STO being canon????


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# 17
05-03-2013, 12:41 PM
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When has Cryptic bragged about STO being canon????
Enterprise-F to start.
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# 18
05-03-2013, 12:45 PM
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Enterprise-F to start.
Well it kinda is, the ship was on a contest and the decision panel was CBS, its pretty clear to me CBS certainly intend for it to be the "next Enterprise", even if unlikely that it will ever be shown.
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# 19
05-03-2013, 12:46 PM
No, it's pretty easy to distort it, because you are.

And what they said about the Enterprise F is that in the rules of the design contest, CBS retained the design, it doesn't count as a Cryptic original, even though Cryptic honestly put more into the final design than the contest winner did having kept little except the split neck - meaning it could be made available for other licensed or canon works (as unlikely as new canon works are in the near future). It's the same situation as the Luna class, which is not technically canon but is owned by CBS (in the same way, by the submission terms of a design contest) and was made available to a STO and could be made available in other forms despite the Titan continuity being non-canon and not something CBS can license.

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# 20
05-03-2013, 02:48 PM
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No, it's pretty easy to distort it, because you are.
Goooooooooooooo on.
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