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# 121
05-03-2013, 01:15 PM
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I must have missed the part where Romulans won't have access to the Foundry, STFs, FEs or PvP.

Oh. Right.
Did I claim that? You're saying the the Romulan faction fills the Story Driven niche correct? Then that means they are trying to force a certain play style out of it like they did for the KDF, who had access to PvE (nebula missions), PvP, and STF's FE's and Foundry once those launched. What people didn't like was being told you should play the KDF as a PvPer. Now you're saying that you should play the Romulans as a Story player. So the two are analogous.

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Normally I'd go paragraph by paragraph, but you've summed up your entire position so succinctly right here I don't have to. We're right back to "I want everything my way now".

For someone who claims to be at least something of a roleplayer, you're showing a marked inability to adapt and thrive in circumstances that aren't a 100% sandboxed story.
I wish you would have gone paragraph by paragraph then you would have explained to me why he has to wear the same uniform through out, or has to be my first officer.

I don't want things my way, I want them 100% optional. Heck I'd even take 70% optional, make me use this guy for the story (which is the case I'm guessing), but don't make him have to wear their uniform for non-story play or be my first officer. I haven't played the content, I can't fully say, maybe I'm wrong on what I'm reading, but it appears the Dev's are the one's asking for things to be completely their way.
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# 122
05-03-2013, 01:22 PM
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You need to actually read what has been written. If you know you're going to dislike a character driven story, you don't walk headfirst into a character driven story, then complain that you hated it. Instead, partake of the content setups that actually appeal to you.

It's completely analagous to someone who dislikes PvP going into a PvP scenario, and then complaining that PvP happened.
The point is that if you want to play a Romulan, you have no choice but to run through this character-driven story (that isn't even using your characters, much like SWtOR). You can't just "not play that content" to avoid it. You have to play through it, and then once it's over, maybe you can actually "make" the characters you want instead of being force-fed your background/story like what BioWare did when they completely missed the point of players making their own characters in MMOs.

I don't even know if you can get rid of these pre-generated BOffs (it sounds like you can't get rid of Tovan, maybe he'll die later on in the story so you're more free to create your own crew). I know we can't alter the rest of them currently, and that's enough to put a bad taste in my mouth, although even if Tovan dies, all Romulan players will still have "their good buddy Tovan from back on the colony who died" and "Reman Engineer girl whose daddy died so you let her work on your ship".

(And yes, I know this is an awfully RP-centric standpoint to take from someone that admittedly doesn't like RP. I still want my characters to be my characters instead of having the same background/story as everyone else. With the FED and KDF toons, we at least have the freedom to come up with our own backgrounds and character concepts.)

Even worse, talking about this now isn't going to change anything in LoR. It's already baked-in, hard coded into what's going to come in a couple weeks. While I will say that it is a good story, and all the work has been impressive, making everyone the same character is not the direction I would have wanted them to go with introducing players to a new Romulan faction. Especially not emulating the techniques that BioWare employed.

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# 123
05-03-2013, 01:30 PM
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The point is that if you want to play a Romulan, you have no choice but to run through this character-driven story (that isn't even using your characters, much like SWtOR). You can't just "not play that content" to avoid it. You have to play through it, and then once it's over, maybe you can actually "make" the characters you want instead of being force-fed your background/story like what BioWare did when they completely missed the point of players making their own characters in MMOs.

I don't even know if you can get rid of these pre-generated BOffs (it sounds like you can't get rid of Tovan, maybe he'll die later on in the story so you're more free to create your own crew). I know we can't alter the rest of them currently, and that's enough to put a bad taste in my mouth, although even if Tovan dies, all Romulan players will still have "their good buddy Tovan from back on the colony who died" and "Reman Engineer girl whose daddy died so you let her work on your ship".

(And yes, I know this is an awfully RP-centric standpoint to take from someone that admittedly doesn't like RP. I still want my characters to be my characters instead of having the same background/story as everyone else. With the FED and KDF toons, we at least have the freedom to come up with our own backgrounds and character concepts.)

Even worse, talking about this now isn't going to change anything in LoR. It's already baked-in, hard coded into what's going to come in a couple weeks. While I will say that it is a good story, and all the work has been impressive, making everyone the same character is not the direction I would have wanted them to go with introducing players to a new Romulan faction. Especially not emulating the techniques that BioWare employed.
Oh God you're kidding me they took this path with the content, it's not just one BO?
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# 124
05-03-2013, 01:38 PM
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Oh God you're kidding me they took this path with the content, it's not just one BO?
I believe everyone gets the exact same 4 BOffs during the introduction. Tovan, Reman girl (I think her name is Hiven), and IIRC two more Romulans. They all have little story introductions as to how they join you (which would be fine if we were playing Mass Effect and everyone is Commander Shepard). You can't change their costumes/looks, and I'd assume you also can't change their names as well.

You do get Romulan BOffs and <allied faction> BOffs later on, and you can change their costumes. But the first group is the same for everyone.

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# 125
05-03-2013, 01:42 PM
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I believe everyone gets the exact same 4 BOffs during the introduction. Tovan, Reman girl (I think her name is Hiven), and IIRC two more Romulans. You can't change their costumes/looks, and I'd assume you also can't change their names as well.

You do get Romulan BOffs and <allied faction> BOffs later on, and you can change their costumes. But the first group is the same for everyone.
You know what this sounds like. They are trying to cut down the data in the game. I know customization has always been an issue. This is part of the reason Neverwinter took a similar approach with its companions.

This is really unfortunate.
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# 126
05-03-2013, 02:37 PM
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I believe everyone gets the exact same 4 BOffs during the introduction. Tovan, Reman girl (I think her name is Hiven), and IIRC two more Romulans. They all have little story introductions as to how they join you (which would be fine if we were playing Mass Effect and everyone is Commander Shepard). You can't change their costumes/looks, and I'd assume you also can't change their names as well.

You do get Romulan BOffs and <allied faction> BOffs later on, and you can change their costumes. But the first group is the same for everyone.
UPDATE: These are everyone's starting BOffs (on the Romulan faction):
  • Tovan Khev: Romulan Male Tactical BOff. Fixed appearance, fixed name.
    • story: outlined in the devblog
  • Veril: Reman Female Engineering BOff. Fixed Appearance. Can change name.
    • story: you rescue her from a Reman colony that gets attacked by Tal Shiar. Her father goes missing/dies in the attack and joins your crew
  • Setra: Romulan Female Science BOff. Fixed Appearance. Can change name.
    • story: rescued from Suliban Helix, where she was hiding from the Tal Shiar with a group of refugees.
  • Hiven: Romulan Male Science BOff. Fixed Appearance. Can change name.
    • story: You bust him out of jail (he was in there for accusing a guard of being Tal Shiar), and now he's looking for revenge for the death of his brother.

The BOffs that Romulans get afterward (at least so far) are received the same way as BOffs are currently received for the FED and KDF, and you can change their appearance and names.

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# 127
05-03-2013, 03:16 PM
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I believe everyone gets the exact same 4 BOffs during the introduction. Tovan, Reman girl (I think her name is Hiven), and IIRC two more Romulans. They all have little story introductions as to how they join you (which would be fine if we were playing Mass Effect and everyone is Commander Shepard). You can't change their costumes/looks, and I'd assume you also can't change their names as well...
Oh.



That seems unfortunate.

I'm especially not fond of the idea that these characters' uniforms are locked. One of the reasons I don't really use the existing FE BOs (Breen, Reman, etc.) is that their appearances are locked. I mostly play Space, so when I do play Ground missions, I want my away team to have matching uniforms. Otherwise it's ugly.

I do hope that by L50, I will be able to say good bye to the motley starter crew, and enlist some regulars that I can design/maintain.

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# 128
05-03-2013, 05:48 PM
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UPDATE: These are everyone's starting BOffs (on the Romulan faction):

The BOffs that Romulans get afterward (at least so far) are received the same way as BOffs are currently received for the FED and KDF, and you can change their appearance and names.
Thank you very much for the information. That really is too bad. When you say the post intro BO's are received in the same way do you mean via missions, Duty missions and able to be bought and traded? Is there a place to buy them for the Romulan faction like on ESD or Qo'noS?

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Oh.



That seems unfortunate.

I'm especially not fond of the idea that these characters' uniforms are locked. One of the reasons I don't really use the existing FE BOs (Breen, Reman, etc.) is that their appearances are locked. I mostly play Space, so when I do play Ground missions, I want my away team to have matching uniforms. Otherwise it's ugly.

I do hope that by L50, I will be able to say good bye to the motley starter crew, and enlist some regulars that I can design/maintain.
Yeah I've still got my Breen hanging around, but I never use him. I like my crew to be Mine. Be they a motley band under my Joined Trill KDFer or an Orion Matriarchy ship, where the males are subordinates only.
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# 129 Please, just stop
05-03-2013, 06:04 PM
This thread is going way off topic now.

It's just two guys arguing about SWTOR and comparing it to STO.

Let's go back to Tovan Khev shall we?


And yes, I do agree that taking a Mass Effect approach in a game that isn't Mass Effect is not really suitable.

I've often wondered how any mmo can claim to be an mmorpg.

I've never seen an mmo that offered you choices and changed the story based on the way you treat others and the decisions you make.


Maybe Cryptic are attempting this with Tovan Khev, but I don't think they're succeeding.

And by the way, in Mass Effect, you can change your companions appearances!

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# 130
05-03-2013, 06:10 PM
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This thread is going way off topic now.

It's just two guys arguing about SWTOR and comparing it to STO.

Let's go back to Tovan Khev shall we?
Maybe we should be thankful that Tovan Khev isn't as annoying as Corso Riggs?

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