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# 11
05-04-2013, 10:35 AM
Originally Posted by seansamurai1 View Post
It would be nice to see queues for non premades.
I'm sorry but this seems to be the only game in history where a casual player of PvP either has to 'jump through hoops' to get a game that doesn't require 10 matches against premades and getting stomped, it means you either have to do the boot camp or join the PVP channel, I've been to that PvP channel and frankly switched it off because it seemed at the time full of elitests uninterested in helping or bringing a virtual unknown in to the fold, hell, they couldn't even be bothered to say hi back after I said hi on entering the channel.
I'm sorry but this is a game for all, so why should casual players be penalised for wanting a PvP to break the boredom of PvE/grinding but not having a big circle of 'friends' to help them?
Are these players less entitled to have a good game that doesn't require them to just roll over and get stomped by a premade?

Myself, I've done a fair bit of pugging with kinetic alien (and aliases), I've always found that going up against a premade just isn't fun, vice versa though I've done premades with him and a few others and its not fun going against a pug team, its too easy and almost pointless.

The boot camp really doesn't appeal to me at all, I've trawled and researched my build, trialled it, adjusted it etc etc, the boot camp would essentially place me at the bottom so some of the more 'elite' players can be condescending because you got something wrong.
I also don't like some of the 'tactics' being taught.
Like warp plasma and theta radiation being used in mass, knowing full well its glitches graphically!

It all boils down to an attitude from many that's along the lines of 'if you ain't in the boot camp or PvP channel, then you obviously aren't worthy to play PvP!'

I understand it is a team game but simply put, not everyone has that pleasure. Does that make us any less worthy to have a good game?

This is also one reason why PvP isn't that popular.

The PvP Community in sto is small...why because any interested in PvP have to come together...why because the game is so broken we are forced too...

In November,2012
A group from the PvP Community derived from exactly what u have posted here created the Boot Camp. The Boot Camp is made up of both experienced and new players, Our goal is to help those who like yourself have these concerns.I know from experience it is not nice getting waxed every time u enter the arena. Trust me Kinetic and the ~Apoc~ crew don't enjoy stomping random q's either but that is how Cryptic has chosen to run PvP or in better words
Ruin PvP...

I am confident in saying The PvP Community (Players) do 99% of the work when it comes to PvP in this game. With the exception of Cryptic the 1% who break mechanics forcing the PvP Community to come up with the fix. Not only that but we have to make are own matching system and when we do enter random q's we get spammed by hate mail called cheaters, exploiters and every other colorful name in the Klingon/Federation Dictionary this is not good for the image of our Fleets.

Cryptic needs a matching system that is for sure...will it ever happen i hope so...Just my suggestion link it to our PvP Accolades 3 tiers 1st tier 0-100 players killed 2nd tier 100-200 kills 3rd tier over 200 player kills and make it work with each q FvK u would have to have 200 klingon players killed to be able to fight t3 PvP Klingons....OMFG i can't believe i just wasted my time giving Cryptic and idea that was a 1min waste of my life...
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# 12
05-04-2013, 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by maicake716 View Post
look around, there are plenty of people who want solo ques, why not create a team with them to go against others who dont want to face the "evil premades"
You mean...the "evul premades"!
Anyway for a lone PvPer the game offer the astounding Ker'rat, private matches, C&H and Arena's all a lot of fun...but only if the lone player is also a skilled one who wants to improve constantly and doesn't feel humiliated by the defeats.
The real difficult is encountered at the beginning of the PvP experience when the rookie realizes that...he's a noob who needs to do a lot of practice.
But if the passion is combined with the desire to learn, then a good PvPer can be born!
And I think the lone player one day will join a team, an organized pug team or an evul premade one!
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# 13
05-04-2013, 04:01 PM
I can't believe there are peeps that still take this game seriously enough to premade.
Especially when /facerollin around the ques.
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# 14
05-04-2013, 11:36 PM
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# 15
05-05-2013, 02:03 AM
Originally Posted by mavhax View Post
I can't believe there are peeps that still take this game seriously enough to premade.
Especially when /facerollin around the ques.
I think people still queu up with premades simply because of the free Dil. If there's too few premades to fight each other may as well kill time getting free DIl. Besides, if they queued up alone they might run into another premade and find themselves saddled with some baddie pugs instead of their full team.

Beyond that there's a possibility that the relatively highly specialized PvP team builds may not do so well queueing up solo in random pugs. This is just speculation, but the current cookie cutter setup (and by that I mean the setup so many premades seem to use of 2 or 3 scis in high end sci ships/carriers and 2 jemmy bugs/BoPs) seems to depend on very specialized builds and cross support and may not be suitable for pugland play where you can't depend on a team mate throwing sci teams or tac teams on you, much less healing you or buffing you. And who wants to spend cash on a respec token? Cash that won't go back to PvP development at all?

My own take on it is that when I pug I'm already mentally prepared to simply shrug it off if a premade (or a premade trying really hard to not look like a premade) shows up to stomp the assorted group of yahoos that make up most of the pugs. Of course, the fact that a lot of puggers are just grinding for Dil makes it hard to get a good match even if the system manages to deliver a mostly even setup.

Sometimes you see an ally's shields go down so fast you wonder if they simply divert all power to aux and let the other team rack up kills asap so they can get their DIl grinding done faster.
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# 16
05-05-2013, 02:11 AM
Originally Posted by mavhax View Post
I can't believe there are peeps that still take this game seriously enough to premade.
Especially when /facerollin around the ques.
Nah mav, premade pvp is serious bussiness. It is so serious that they do not want to fight each other, but rather queue against randoms
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# 17
05-05-2013, 03:41 AM
Originally Posted by mavhax View Post
I can't believe there are peeps that still take this game seriously enough to premade.
Especially when /facerollin around the ques.
puging wile you know other talented folks are on, and making little pugmades is the sweet spot for gameplay anymore.
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# 18
05-05-2013, 03:45 AM
Originally Posted by mavhax View Post
I can't believe there are peeps that still take this game seriously enough to premade.
Especially when /facerollin around the ques.
Even worse part is how serious some people take themselves because of leet premade pew pew
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# 19
05-05-2013, 04:25 AM
There are evil premades out to get me?

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# 20
05-05-2013, 10:46 PM
Lol wife mentioned to me how complex this game looked even from her half-attention glances at the screen. I mean she plays the new Super Mario. says I rage too much, but it's also what I love about the game it is so confusing!

thank you for direction into the boot camp thread, but if your build isn't in line with another build (lets say: engie nadion inversion III >>> tac cap'n tactical bortasqu autocannon) it is STILL defeating yourself via teamwork related issues which is an incredible advantage done properly.

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