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# 21
05-06-2013, 07:00 PM
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Oh and in the character creation area, you can use Nero's Face Tattoo as well.
And I plan on using it. Thank you, Devs.
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# 22
05-07-2013, 01:50 AM
Amazing how many alleged Star Trek fans go out of their way to hate on anything remotely connected to JJ Abrams. When asked why, they never seem to have an intelligent or coherent reason for doing so. And then, the haters strive mightily to see which one can out hate the others. I'm not certain but it sometimes feels like they're getting paid to hate the JJverse.

I liked ST:XI. It was a refreshing take on TOS. Which I grew up watching. Unlike so very many, I also realize it takes place in an alternate timeline. Therefore it does not replace the original. If you can, go look it up, the Prophet Roddenberry (Honored be His name and in His service we all grind!) wanted to make an action adventure show in space. The majority of the popular shows on American TV networks at the time were Westerns or police dramas. Gene was dong a variation on a Western action adventure show. All this, "Star Trek is not a show! It's a religion!" foolishness started just about the time ST:TWOK was released.

TNG was waay too preachy and goody two shoes sometimes. DS9 went the other way. More times than not, DS9 failed because the writers realized too late the Feds were supposed to be the Good Guys. Voyager started out okay. The Doctor is one of my favorite Star Trek characters. Voyager then was ruined because someone decided to make the Jeri Ryan in a catsuit character the central figure of nearly all the stories. I know sex sells but come on! The Maquis members of Voyager's crew wore Starfleet uniforms so why couldn't Seven? How come the producers didn't simply make her parade around in that bikini, which was oh so carefully highlighted and enhanced in nearly every scene she was in, worn under the catsuit ? The FanBoys would have loved it.

"Buh buh buh... its got Jeri Ryan! In a catsuit!"

Hmmm.... Star Trek became Porn Trek. No thanks, I'll pass. Not Ms. Ryan's fault at all. I have since seen her in a few other things where she did a fine acting job. Without benefit of the catsuit.

Back on topic. I say no to this ship in STO. Or any other of the JJverse ships either. The Feds have too many OP ships/toys now. Adding to this list would be inappropriate. Shouldn't future Fed GodShips come from the Prime Universe instead of the Alternate anyway?
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# 23
05-07-2013, 03:41 AM
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TNG was waay too preachy and goody two shoes sometimes. DS9 went the other way. More times than not, DS9 failed because the writers realized too late the Feds were supposed to be the Good Guys. Voyager started out okay. The Doctor is one of my favorite Star Trek characters. Voyager then was ruined because someone decided to make the Jeri Ryan in a catsuit character the central figure of nearly all the stories. I know sex sells but come on! The Maquis members of Voyager's crew wore Starfleet uniforms so why couldn't Seven? How come the producers didn't simply make her parade around in that bikini, which was oh so carefully highlighted and enhanced in nearly every scene she was in, worn under the catsuit ? The FanBoys would have loved it.
Amazing how many alleged Star Trek fans go out of their way to hate on anything even remotely connected to Rick Berman. When asked why, they never seem to have an intelligent or coherent reason for doing so. And then, the haters strive mightily to see which one can out hate the others. I'm not certain but it sometimes feels like they're getting paid to hate the Bermanverse.

Or...on the other hand...is it just possible that some peoples' tastes are different than yours, and that their opinions are just as valid as yours? Maybe, just maybe, the Trek world is a big enough tent to hold all of us with our various favorite and least favorite series' movies, etc.?

Nah, better to label everyone who disagrees with you with a broad brush and dismiss them, right?
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# 24
05-07-2013, 03:44 AM
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It's sad, isn't it? They claim to respect IDIC, but whenever something new comes along they condemn it and call for the creator's head. You should see what Star Trek.com is like right now. It hurts.
Respect for IDIC works both ways. It means you have to accept people who dislike what you like, too. I'd love to see the day where someone can post something critical of the two most recent movies on these boards and not be accused of 'not believing in IDIC' or 'not being a real Star Trek fan'.
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# 25
05-07-2013, 03:48 AM
I've got no problems with people who have legitimate problems with the films. What I have a problem with is people who just spout "OMG IT SUX CUS ITS DIFFERENT" or stuff to that effect, or anyone who invokes the "no true Scotsman" fallacy in either direction.

Although the incoherency there is hyperbole, I'll admit that.

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# 26
05-07-2013, 04:06 AM
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I've got no problems with people who have legitimate problems with the films. What I have a problem with is people who just spout "OMG IT SUX CUS ITS DIFFERENT" or stuff to that effect, or anyone who invokes the "no true Scotsman" fallacy in either direction.

Although the incoherency there is hyperbole, I'll admit that.
I understand where you folks are coming from, but I think sometimes you sink to the other side's level.

I didn't hate the first JJ film. I've said before on these boards that I put it about in the middle of the pack of Star Trek films. Not as good as some, but a lot better than others. This second one I didn't enjoy as much. As I've said before, mostly because I felt like JJ had managed to give himself a good setup at the end of the first one. He had a great cast, he had a huge budget, and he had basically no continuity to tie him down. The second movie disappointed me because instead of going off and doing something new, he made what felt to me like a retread of old territory.

That said, I understand where you're coming from because I'm primarily a TOS fan. And I've spent years listening to folks ridicule it as being cheesy, mock Shatner's acting, poke fun at the sets and costumes and special effects. I have a lot of friends who think TNG was the pinnacle of Star Trek, and I'd probably rank it fourth in terms of my favorites. But I don't think it helps the situation for me to try to mock TNG to them, or even to spend inordinate amounts of my time trying to defend everything about TOS (I mean, have you seen much of the Third Season? Pretty indefensible).

At a certain point, we have to just sort of agree to live and let live. You may like TNG or DS9 or even Enterprise the best, I prefer TOS. You might love one or both of the Abrams movies and think they're the best Star Trek films, I may prefer TWOK and Undiscovered Country, or I might be a TNG fan and think First Contact is the best ever. We can all be good Star Trek fans and just have our preferences as to what part(s) of the franchise we prefer...or don't like...and be able to voice those thoughts without it turning into a Klingon blood feud. From either side.
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# 27
05-07-2013, 04:10 AM
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Amazing how many alleged Star Trek fans go out of their way to hate on anything even remotely connected to Rick Berman. When asked why, they never seem to have an intelligent or coherent reason for doing so. And then, the haters strive mightily to see which one can out hate the others. I'm not certain but it sometimes feels like they're getting paid to hate the Bermanverse.

Or...on the other hand...is it just possible that some peoples' tastes are different than yours, and that their opinions are just as valid as yours? Maybe, just maybe, the Trek world is a big enough tent to hold all of us with our various favorite and least favorite series' movies, etc.?

Nah, better to label everyone who disagrees with you with a broad brush and dismiss them, right?
Just following your lead here, Ace. If you don't like being hoisted on your own Picard, then it is your problem, not mine. Just sayin'.

You are correct though in one point, though. Star Trek should be a big enough tent to let everyone come under. I just get really really tired of the knee jerk reaction to anything connected to JJverse.
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# 28
05-07-2013, 04:11 AM
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I understand where you folks are coming from, but I think sometimes you sink to the other side's level.

I didn't hate the first JJ film. I've said before on these boards that I put it about in the middle of the pack of Star Trek films. Not as good as some, but a lot better than others. This second one I didn't enjoy as much. As I've said before, mostly because I felt like JJ had managed to give himself a good setup at the end of the first one. He had a great cast, he had a huge budget, and he had basically no continuity to tie him down. The second movie disappointed me because instead of going off and doing something new, he made what felt to me like a retread of old territory.

That said, I understand where you're coming from because I'm primarily a TOS fan. And I've spent years listening to folks ridicule it as being cheesy, mock Shatner's acting, poke fun at the sets and costumes and special effects. I have a lot of friends who think TNG was the pinnacle of Star Trek, and I'd probably rank it fourth in terms of my favorites. But I don't think it helps the situation for me to try to mock TNG to them, or even to spend inordinate amounts of my time trying to defend everything about TOS (I mean, have you seen much of the Third Season? Pretty indefensible).

At a certain point, we have to just sort of agree to live and let live. You may like TNG or DS9 or even Enterprise the best, I prefer TOS. You might love one or both of the Abrams movies and think they're the best Star Trek films, I may prefer TWOK and Undiscovered Country, or I might be a TNG fan and think First Contact is the best ever. We can all be good Star Trek fans and just have our preferences as to what part(s) of the franchise we prefer...or don't like...and be able to voice those thoughts without it turning into a Klingon blood feud. From either side.
Good post. Props.

I definitely enjoyed the new Trek. I felt it had some stumbles but it captured the spirit of TOS pretty well (IMHO).

That said, I totally understand how someone who preferred TNG would hate this movie. Really, it's about as far from Picard era Trek as you can get.

Personally, I think the difference in tone and storytelling between TNG and TOS is far more pronounced than the differences between the new movie and TOS.
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# 29
05-07-2013, 04:14 AM
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That said, I totally understand how someone who preferred TNG would hate this movie. Really, it's about as far from Picard era Trek as you can get.
That's interesting since I'm only really familiar with TNG/DS9/VOY plus a few of the TOS films, and I still enjoyed it.
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# 30
05-07-2013, 04:22 AM
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That's interesting since I'm only really familiar with TNG/DS9/VOY plus a few of the TOS films, and I still enjoyed it.
That's great. I'm not saying you can't like both. I like TOS, TNG, Star Wars, Alien, and the new Trek.

I'm just saying if someone only likes the TNG era stuff, I can understand why they'd not like this movie.

I'm not saying someone can't like both; just that I understand why someone wouldn't.
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